Joe Rogan Experience #2519 — Scott Eastwood

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bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, like that's poison. It's delicious poison. Now, I will say, I just got [clears throat] back from Europe. My body there feels so much better. And I eat pretty healthy, okay?

I eat healthy here and I eat pretty healthy there. Yeah, everybody has the same story. So, what's going on? It's our food. Our food is bad.

It's There's a guy who broke it down. Remember that dude with the cowboy hat, Jamie? Remember that cat who's really good at breaking down nutrition facts? He broke down what the gluten is. The glyphosate, right?

The just bromine, there's a bunch of the other compounds, there's a bunch of preservatives. All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And And all these people that live in like Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food. Yep.

Real food. But, it's not just It's not just that. It's like the way the dairy's processed, right? So, you know, and I I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple times ago in Europe. And I asked, I said, "Why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America?" And they're like, "Well, first off, we the process of making this cheese is like 4th to 6 hours in the morning every day, and it gets the lactose out.

Whereas, we just slap it in and send it out, you know? And it's like that's not worth it. cheese. You know, I had a This I bought a house from this guy who was from France, really cool guy. He was a doctor, very interesting dude. I got to know him, got became friends with him.

And he's he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003. Oh, really? Illegal to bring that cheese into America cuz it was raw. It hadn't been all the biology in it hadn't been killed.

Okay. So like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes, you're getting it and people can say, "Oh, you are you a baby cow? You should be" like it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fat, it's good for you.

It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized pasteurized milk, your body's like, "What is this?" Yeah. Like this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months? That's crazy. If you get raw milk, I get it on a Saturday, by Wednesday or Thursday it gets a little sketch.

Oh, yeah. It starts stinking. That's the That's the cat. So this dude, listen to the Listen to what he says. He's So he's talking to this guy.

I've been gluten-free This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe. In America, can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ or the fiber and nutrients to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas. Then the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is. Uh I need to get Shout out to this guy.

His name is Danny Dore. Uh Danny d e n n y _ d u r e on Instagram. It's got to [bleep] with the audio there cuz that song will Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the [bleep] yeah. So what I get from that? And I have seen this actually.

Damn it. It's just essentially pure greed to keep bread shelf stable for longer. Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf stable stuff that And the problem is it was it was green-lit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way.

So this was the argument when RFK Jr. came in and said you have to stop using these dyes for children cereals. Yeah. And they were saying this is going to ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal they make in the United States and it looks not as good cuz it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you [bleep] cancer.

Yeah. But the reality is it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They [bleep] hire lobbyists.

They hire lobbyists, they get their guys into the FDA, they get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And then we keep eating dog [bleep] and we keep getting poisoned. And you go to Italy and you have a spaghetti and you feel great. You know, you don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.

And there's a dart in your neck, man. about it so many times you go over there and you're like, why am I living the way I live? Yeah. These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing. That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't even understand.

It's just like that gets lumped into that. It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society. Yeah. What? Like why is that a thing?

Yeah, we live in a weird world, man. A world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies. So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store.

My My parents were hippies, and they would buy like whole wheat bread, and you know, like they would try to buy like organic food. Like the And that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals, avoid processed foods. And because this it's all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK Jr., there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody because somehow or another they they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position. Like God, you guys are getting brainwashed.

We We should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We've We've We're not doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why we're some of the sickest, fattest [bleep] people on Earth, while also being the most wealthy country. Yeah, uh group think is like a crazy thing.

It's a It's It's It's kind of It's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping onto something they're they've been told, or is in their echo chamber, or whatever. You know what I mean? I like to think no matter what issue it is, I'm like, "Okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of look at both sides.

Maybe there's like And maybe there's some in between." That's Both things can be true. Yes, for sure. And that's a problem if you if there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying, and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. Like I think the group think that we have to all really align with is the group think of being open-minded. Being like true actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas, and also recognize that you are not your ideas.

Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. Yeah. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas.

Yeah. You should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't based on information, based on the reality of whatever whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is like you can't be married to your ideas because they'll [bleep] you. They'll [bleep] you over every time. It's like it's not going to work.

Yeah. You have to be flexible and you have to be willing to say, "Even though I hate this guy, he's right about that." It's very important. it's okay to be wrong. Yeah, even though I think this guy's a piece of [bleep] when he say he lies about a lot of things, but that thing that he's saying is actually true. Well, here's an even to go even a little more maybe an unpopular or some people don't talk about is they divide, to control. If you don't have division, that's when the pitchforks come out.

If you don't have the illusion of choice and a team, that's when you're like, "Well, [bleep] that. They're taking our money. They're We're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things. And we actually don't have a choice." Right.

Maybe that's the reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue. And it's actually just one higher group that are actually making decisions, the big money. Yeah, well, well, for sure they benefit from people being at each [clears throat] other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They they benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, pride month or whatever it is.

Black Lives Matter. They they benefit Rile rile people up and then people are thinking about this and this instead of hey, like this is actually going on. They're not talking about that. Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing like right afterwards.

[laughter] That's the real power, right? That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people. Cuz otherwise that that shit's going to stay in the news cycle until something big happens.

So, you got to make something big happen. Yep. Yeah, it's a We're We're involved in a game and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values. That's not the game they're playing.

The game they're playing is let's pretend that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, they're a good percentage of them are demons.

They're They're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are going to have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a [bleep] They care about their own career and they want to keep on trucking till they become the king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do and that's a giant pile of these [bleep] demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. And then there's there's real good people that get involved in politics as well and boy, we need them to make us feel better.

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e today on his plane and he's a very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue and I and I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it? I was like, do you think that maybe that's just a cause for division and that like what you know, like if you get upset about a sound out of someone's mouth when you think about it, it's kind of like from a 30,000 ft level, it's like you're getting riled up about an idea about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth. Right. Like you're letting that affect you? Right, and it's not affecting your real life.

But you're choosing to focus on that. And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere? I was I was I couldn't thinking about like I was thinking about I was like, you're this you know, especially billionaire and you're upset about that and I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of a million other things we could talk about or think about? Yeah. interesting. Well, it's I mean, it's always been a tool.

As much as we like to say, "No, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to I get it. That's true." But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by Art of war. Right. I mean, it's the from the beginning.

Yeah, and it's important and it's one of the beautiful things about our country uh is that we have two parties. So, it's so easy to do cuz it's just good guys and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys in between. pretty reasonable guys that are pragmatic, we know how to kill folks. I like them. Let's go to the [laughter] Let's go to the discipline side.

But no, it's like you you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that, you know, have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues and you get lumped in with white nationalists. You get wiped in lumped in with Christian nationalists that think that the 10 Commandments should be in every school and no one should be able to practice any other religion as a Christian Christian country. There's people that really believe pushing that. That you get lumped in with them, too.

When you just like, "Hey, I think the Second Amendment's important." You know, like, "Oh, you must be a far-right wing conspiracy theorist." Like, "Oh, come on." Like, you can't always count on the cops, you know? You you should be able to protect yourself cuz bad people have guns. It's that simple. It doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time. Like, this is crazy.

You could kill people with a variety of different methods. You know, you don't you don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do. They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to There's a whole bunch of Like, they're kind of moving away from that now in a big way.

They're moving away from the competitive thing. Like, with trans women competing in school athletics and cuz it's like after a certain amount of [bleep] championships, you know, you just got to go, "Hey, Come on, guys. that's a guy." That's a guy [laughter] fighting women. Be sweet. Those people have always exist, but also you're letting them into the women's room and now you get a pervert who just say they're trans and then go in the women's room, too. Like, you didn't think about this.

Yeah. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the the most hated and the the most like looked out like make sure that they don't come near you, psychopathic perverts. Like, psychopathic perverts that prey on men. Guys that want to go in women's bathrooms. Guys that want to like grab women after bars.

Those guys have always been terrifying. Yeah. And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress. Like imagine you're a [bleep] old school pervert and you're 80 years old.

You're like, "Fuck, I missed the boat." Yeah. Yeah, you've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of [laughter] creepy [bleep] Pretending you're a woman. I think we should just be able to hunt hunt them. Like for real. I would lose zero sleep.

Real perverts, yeah. Like the thing is like child molesters? People like No problem. Just let's go hunt them. Well, they're broken and I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them.

And then there's this weird trend where in some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons. Which is just so this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore, you know, all kinds of Like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs? They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be seem deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic.

Like, okay. Yeah. That that is that breakdown of uh culture and because of, you know, some very extreme groups is pretty scary. It's scary. It's super scary.

It's scary because it [clears throat] can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America, too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist.

You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans are to take over cities.

Their plans are to take over cities and change the laws. And we were talking about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All these like liberal people like, "Yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing." So they got a Muslim mayor, and the first thing he did is like no more pride flags. This shit's illegal.

Cuz what he would like is Sharia law. Like that if you ask the majority of practicing Muslims like worldwide, how many of them would like Sharia law? And it's it's a it's not a small amount. You know, that's their religion. That's what they But the problem with that is like you can't push that on other people.

If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's also also different ways of uh worshipping God. Great. I don't know who's right.

But as soon as a culture starts taking over and putting in values that first of all grossly Yeah, grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly. That's bad. That's when it falls apart completely. Well, and that's their culture.

And you have to understand that that's they've accepted. When they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture. And they want women to dress like that. And you know, we have to stop that from spreading. Like you should be able to do it if you want to.

But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should have the the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other. Yeah. But when you get a country like England, it just lets them in.

Mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder like are they wanting the society to deteriorate to the point where they can say, "Hey, we're going to make new laws to protect you." Because Mhm. you need to protect so you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social media posts.

I've I've been I've been hearing about that. Yeah. Oh, it's not more than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined. Yeah. It seems It seems as if, you know, the the grab for power is is just, you know, done in plain sight now.

Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they don't have the second amendment. It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is you're not armed. So, like, when [bleep] goes sideways, you don't have a lot of options, you know?

And what are you going to do? We'll all get together with shovels? What are you going to do? Grandpa's got a bird gun. Let's go get Grandpa's bird gun.

[laughter] [bleep] what are we doing? Get Grandpa's [snorts] bird gun. That's the way to keep the police out of your town. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah, it's uh it's not good.

I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're going to come out on the other end of this, but it's going to be real hard with this right right versus left [bleep] well, but, you know, you know, not to like toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people, and you've pulled in like almost I was thinking about the other day, like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat GPT and I'll say, "Can you tell me about this thing that, you know, and then they'll Oh, would you want to hear a 2-hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such?" And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's minds. It's much easier than having to, you know, go and and read about something. You're like, "Oh, that's an interesting point." Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But, the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young, and I think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly. Yeah.

And not also, like, um you know, giving them something that excites them, and giving them something that they they can understand why it's important to be interested in something. Like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you. Try new things out. Like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better.

I like feel good. Like people like tasks. They like that. And we should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're we're just basically groomed to becoming workers.

You know, it's interesting is I So, I turned 40 in March and I decided I was going to take the year off. And so, essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years. Hadn't looked up. We've been living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

And I thought it would make me it would give me better perspective. It would maybe whatever, you know, where's then where am I going in the next 10 years? It's kind of my thinking. Uh and I actually got more depressed. [laughter] I was like, wait, what the [bleep] [clears throat] is going on?

I feel more depressed. And it kind of just goes back to just stay busy. Get up and do [bleep] Well, the thing is you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love. And that is a gift. That's a real gift.

And we're both very fortunate in that regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry. If you're doing what you love, you're so lucky. Create. Go out and create.

Don't take. Yeah. Be a creator in in anything. Like, if you're a plumber or whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes. Yeah.

Have a purpose and create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know? It's like I was actually listening to a podcast and guy said that and I was like, yep, that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think.

Cuz you're you're giving society something it didn't to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah, and that's good for you, for sure. And I think um unfortunately, I Look, I don't want a the responsibility be the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. I just the only I mean, you're not the only person. No, of course.

But I I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and get you interested in things should be in schools. Instead of just forcing [bleep] history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things. Show them cool [bleep] So so cool [bleep] where they realize like, "Oh, learning about things is actually really interesting." You know, it just has to be something you're interested in and then they'll realize like, "Oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel like most people feel." Most people feel like [bleep] the economy sucks. I just got to get a job and then then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs.

And then next thing you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the [bleep] you're doing and you're stuck, you know, and that's a lot of people. A lot of people listening to this right now. And it's cuz they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. Get the job.

Go do the thing. Yeah. Whatever it is, man. Be in a [bleep] car mechanic. Whatever whatever thing you're interested in.

There's got to be a thing. You just got to find that [bleep] good at anything. And that will produce money. It's like it the the I also part of the problem is culturally I think we we place too much value in like becoming rich and oh, you got to do this. And it's like, "No, no, no.

Hold on. Don't miss the point. Get good at something in you'll that you love and then that will produce If you get good enough at anything, you'll make money out of it. For sure, but the problem is like with kids, it's everything today they want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right?

They don't want to go on a diet. They want get, you know, whatever it is. Fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with scams, crypto, anything where they're going to get rich quick. You know, whatever they got to do to get rich quick. Because it's like this this Tik Tok mind culture where people just want that easy quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work.

When you think about a job or going down a career path like acting for instance, like what you did. First of all, you did it, you would think, oh, great. Clint Eastwood's his dad. He'll help him. I made it worse.

[laughter] People are like, no, dude. But you had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go, oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good. [laughter] Because it's always going to be your Clint Eastwood's kid. Oh, yeah. You know, and then he didn't [bleep] help you.

But like your grind was I know you. Your grind was years and years and years and years of just [bleep] hustling and and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, Wait, how long is it going to take? What? 14 years? 20 years? What?

Like when we talk to comics, that's a big big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic till 10 years. 10,000 hour rule, right? I mean, I don't know if that's real. No. There's something to that.

There's something to reps, for sure. But I think intention as is as important as what the hours are, you know, just the amount of time. Yeah. Like if you're just mailing it in in the gym, it's [snorts] not the same as Yeah. to build this or get really good at that. Yeah, 100% especially skills related things.

Yeah. Like jujitsu is a perfect example that jujitsu 100% you get better the more you do it, but 1,000% if you drill correctly and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques like you really truly understand like leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when a th

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ere's an escape, when there's no escape. If you don't understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting hard with people. And you'll get somewhere, but you won't get nearly as far as you would get with focused, really systematic breaking down of techniques. So, it's like the 10,000 hour thing is it's there's something to it. The more you do it, the better you'll get.

But really, it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do. That is as if not more important than the time. Like it's amount of it's about it's about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to like look at it as objectively as possible. You know, especially if you're like with jiu-jitsu is a thing it's like your ego's involved cuz you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated.

And so, you don't want to try things, so you keep a a tight game, and you never grow. And it's your ego actually holds you back by that. And that but telling people that it's going to take that long if you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, "Oh god, it's too much work." Well, also I think the thing you you realize, you know, as your ego gets stripped from you doing jiu-jitsu is that you realize, you know, like don't matter what level I'm at, there's always going to be 1,000 more guys above that level that will still choke me out. And you're going to you realize how much how like you're like, "No, I kind of am a pussy." You're like, "I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I you know, you know now." You really know. Well, I really know because I work for the UFC.

[laughter] Yeah, you know. It's like I'm we're always around like every weekend dozens of guys who can kill me. Yeah. And then there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels, you know?

When a guy like Ilia Topuria knocks out Max Holloway, you're like, "Whoa." And then Justin Gaethje beats up Ilia Topuria, you're like, "Whoa." It's like there's so many guys out there. You you have to be humble. And it's good for you. It's good for you to not be delusional. Yeah.

But what my point was for young people they have to get interested in the path. It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every every day. Every every effort you put into it, do it whatever the [bleep] you're doing, do it to try to get better at that thing.

And eventually success will come. You're going to have to manage that success. You're going to chase it. You're going to have to figure things out. But the most important thing should always be the path.

Mhm. That's true. Yeah, I think that's in everything and anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be I'm going to sell a million copies. It's got to be I need to [bleep] make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

But I think I I also think we need to push because of this whole like quick money and and and thing, the the morals and codes people have are not taught enough to young people. You know, do the right thing. When you say you're going to do something, be there. When you make a promise, do it, complete it. Don't just you know, people just are so sue-happy and this culture of of you know, oh whatever, [bleep] them, we can just do whatever we want.

It's like that's [bleep] terrible behavior to put out to young people. You know, you Yeah. You've got to have a code and a value system. That's what my dad I mean he was so you know, you make a promise, that's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like you got to do something.

You got to like Your dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president? He Cuz he did cuz he did politics. He would have [bleep] won. I know he was the mayor of Carmel.

Yeah. And then he said, never [bleep] again. Yeah, it's because he realized it's people like what He would have been a fun president, though. [laughter] Yeah. He would have been, you know.

Yeah. I don't know if I would have liked it, though. Then it would have been like everyone No, you had Everyone would have come after me for no reason. Bro, you would have been Don Jr. [laughter] Oh, Jesus.

Would have been in the box. up into some crypto scheme. [laughter] Everybody would hate you. Making billions. Yeah. Geez Louise.

Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But, you know, like when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people like, "Finally. Finally, a guy who like is good at acting." [laughter] I mean, that's kind of what the president is.

It's a role. Oh, yeah. Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader. And the way you behave is like you have to It's very formal.

The way you communicate is very formal. Yeah. You know? And actors are going to be better at that. You know?

Like Josh Brolin, that guy could be the president. 100%. That dude could kill it as the president. He's got the voice. got the voice, yeah. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie? Yes.

That's right, he played Bush. Yeah, he could be president. You know? [laughter] I know they tried to get The Rock to run. Yeah.

Yeah, I think he was thinking about it. Yeah, not much. He told me like, "Fuck this." Yeah. [laughter] Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of He was toying with He was like, "Yeah, I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it." very smart with social media. He's He's a wizard at that stuff, but I think he's too smart to run for president. Yeah, you don't know how many people hate like get that giant ass pro wrestler. Get that guy. He should be our president.

[laughter] At least we know that our president could [bleep] up all the other presidents. That would be nice. No, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. It's like, "Okay, great.

You got to be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of like fight or some sort of Yeah. physical like competition. Because you can't just be You know, you got to be athletic, you got to be you know, that would be cool. It's a great show anyways. We should really make them do about 7 g of mushrooms. Anybody wants to be president.

You do 7 g of mushrooms, we film it, we we do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or you know, night vision cameras. Freak out. Yeah, yeah, we want to know how well you handle

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God. But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right? Yeah, well, also I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience cuz it would just make them realize that like there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face and you don't think that until you have it and then you have it and you'll never think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay.

There's a part of this that's not real. There's a part Oh, no, I did I trust me, I did the I did 5 MEO. And it was I mean, that was some life-changing stuff. Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think like, oh my God, I killed myself.

Yeah. Like I'm not around anymore. Yeah, and and and I think what was the most powerful thing was when you come back, it's it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again. Like first time you saw grass, the first time you saw the sun, the first time you felt the wind. I mean, I I cried, I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.

And I was like, I'm just so got uncomfortable after about 5 seconds of this guy. They're like, okay. on the couch. Why you hugging my girlfriend, bro? [laughter] You handsome bastard. [laughter] But it was powerful and Well, your your ego is completely shattered after that stuff and you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging.

You just want to hug a human. And it's the the feeling of it is so like you're a part of everything in the universe and there is no there's no like particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling.

And no one ever is ever done it and go, "Ah, I didn't think it was that big a deal." Like everybody who does is like, "Wow." Yeah. Like I've known I know a few uh prominent right-wing people that have done it. They have completely changed their life. Yeah. A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names, but then they want to talk to me about it.

And they're like, "Yeah, so I'm I'm a different person now. Like whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore." Like that's that's cuz once you know, once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something.

Yeah. It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and It kind of made kind of actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or or whatever it is that it could help them. And I was like, "Oh man, that that is sad." The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about.

You know, I I see like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And uh when I was young when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool. You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to you just enrich your experience in life and and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed.

I It comes up all the time. So, the public's perception on this has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think it's because of the internet. I think it's really It really started to change where I heard I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. And it was um even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them to quit heroin.

And people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular, but then all the Terence McKenna stuff that he was talking about uh DMT and um LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so, all this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcast, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, "Whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like, what is he talking about?

He's running wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like, what?" And so, it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so, that's just alone gives me hope because I feel like that's a that's a big change in how people view something. Well, was it um [clears throat] and I don't I don't exactly know the history, but I I've heard uh was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress, you know, weed use this I mean The alcohol lobby has Did they did they also go to psychedelics as well where they They haven't yet. No.

Um well, I'm I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized, but the the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have uh legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake. Sure. The the diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost them money. Yep.

It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. Uh is that Explain. Yeah, they lobby uh prison guards unions. They lobby.

There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws keep them on the books so that they can keep locking people up. Sure, cuz that's a massive business, right? Yeah, their business is peop- keeping people in cages, which is really [bleep] crazy. Yeah, that's pretty messed It's really crazy that someone is who's in the business of locking people up can actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up. That's I mean that's locked up for something that no Nonviolent crime?

Yeah, and especially marijuana. Like most Americans don't think that you uh that it should be illegal. It's a It's a large number. It's like more than 70% I think. Like what was the What's What amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal?

Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into Perplexity. See what the the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Legalized.

Yeah. What do you think about it? What do you think about all drugs being legal? It's a tough argument because for sure you're going to lose some people. Mhm.

If you make all drugs legal, look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl. All right? I'm not I'm not into meth. I'm not interested.

If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to pick it up, but some people will. 70% 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general according to recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88 to 89%. Uh US adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal. And those people need to try it. [laughter] So look, I'm actually pot [snorts] never agreed well with me.

And I think I have uh I always I get a little scared and paranoid sometimes where it I was like, maybe I have like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something. I was like, "Ooh, I don't This isn't I was like, "I don't like this. This made me kind of go skyco-schematic and So, did it just make you scared or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was No, I don't I don't I don't know if it distorted reality. It just got my brain you know, it got my brain so freaked out about things that were out of my control. That's the part I like.

Now I can see why because [laughter] like, you know, mushrooms they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. Yeah. And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Pot just never agreed with me.

I think what I like [clears throat] about it is when it wears off. I like [laughter] I like that fear. I I like like Joey Diaz says, "Go meet the devil." I think there's some there's some benefit to freaking out cuz then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis.

You got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking. And then marijuana's like, "What's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of?" AND YOU'RE LIKE, [screaming] [laughter] BUT I WILL SAY, AS YOU KNOW, important like before the the frontal cortex is like fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically. Yes. Right? Yes.

And and schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not I think it's with anything, right? Yeah, I don't know what causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development for especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And um I know that's hard for people to hear cuz they want to get high.

Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to [bleep] your head up. Yeah. It's not good for you. It's just not good for your brain development.

It's one of the most important things about you as a human being is your ability to think well. It's very important. 100% it's your operating system. Don't don't screw it up before it has a time to like And just for heehees and hahas because you're bored in math class you want to get high all the time? [laughter] You know I mean people have done it and got away with it and they're okay, but a lot of people have not. And you you don't want to sabotage your whole life just cuz everybody you know is getting high.

It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol. There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like don't do it, man. I'm telling you it is [bleep] bad for the development of your brain.

Whatever you Look, maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going to be fine, but I guarantee you where if you're getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time, wherever you would be is not where you are. You might be still a very high intellect still very smart. You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better.

You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not good for you. Yeah. And you know, we glamorize it for kids. Like the kids at parties drinking, having a good time.

It's [bleep] bad for you. Don't do it. yeah, wait. But you can't you also can't tell them don't drink because if you tell them don't drink they just want to drink. You just got to kind of inform [clears throat] them. your Europe tends to have like a better it seems as a whole. I'm sure they have their problems too, but it seems like yeah, you know, they ease into it, right?

Have a little like less is more without like with anything actually less is more. Yeah. It's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old. You know, it's not it's not that big a deal.

That Protestant culture we have is is very rigid and it's very like don't do this or you're going to die and it's like drug addicts and hoes [laughter] because people just want to not listen to their parents. They just want to do something that's [bleep] like whatever you're doing, I'm doing the opposite cuz you are [bleep] annoying and you've been the bane of my existence. As soon as I get out of this house, I'm smoking crack. [bleep] you, dad. You don't know what you're talking about.

So to get back to your question, um the problem with legalization is you're going to have a bunch of people that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally because it's legal. But what about what about when you're of age? Like I don't know, call it 25. Yeah, but even then, you're going to have a bunch of people that don't like their life and just decide to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However, what you're not going to do is empower the drug cartels and organized crime and that's what we're doing now.

So in one way or another, people are going to get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs during prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals. That's what they've always done. That's what they did during the alcohol prohibition.

It's what people do. And when you've got a multi-billion dollar industry, maybe trillion dollar industry, right next door to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through, bringing it through. Like what are we doing? We empowering them or would you rather have it legal and have a substantial portion of those profits, block out everything that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those profits put to rehabilitation and treatment. Mhm.

Yeah, I was also thinking from a like a quality perspective, too, right? Like you're like, "Hey, that's cool. We get it. People are going to do this, but we're going to monitor it and make sure it is what it says it is." Yeah. Look, alcohol's legal.

There's a lot of people that don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the way it makes them feel. They don't like the way it makes them act. They say stupid things.

They feel like [bleep] in the morning. They don't drink. That will be the same with cocaine. That will be the same with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics.

And alcohol is legal and it's everywhere and these people will hit bars and get [bleep] up every night and their life is going to be a mess. They're going to die of liver poisoning. That's normal, too. It's It's unfortunate, but you can't nerf the world. Yeah.

Yeah, you got to like trust a little bit that Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America that um cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It'll be really hard to sell to them. Yeah. But I think ultimately it'd probably be better for us. these other things that Those are less troublesome, you know, not a lot of people are dying from MDMA, but the people definitely abuse it. They definitely get addicted to it.

They're doing it all the time. Apparently that whole thing about making holes in your brain is [bleep] Oh, really? Yeah. That was a campaign? Oh, [clears throat] I think it was probably just some internet horse [bleep] Let's Let's find out what it does MDMA does.

Does MDMA cause holes in your brain? Put that in there. See what Perplexity has to say. I think they've proven that that's not the case. couples therapy, right? I mean that was the the impetus of the whole thing.

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Meet your match at ZipRecruiter. Well, I know they do use it for couples therapy, but it's also really good for um soldiers with PTSD, and that's what MAPS has done with their studies. That's the big focus of their studies is PTSD with uh Yep. MDMA. There's something about MDMA's, the empathy that it gives you, the compassion it gives you.

It lets you drop a lot of things that are in your head. No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain that would show up as empty gaps on a scan. But a high or repeated doses can get damage serotonin neurons and alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So, the holes Where did the holes idea come from? Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain scan images that were described as showing holes, but these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue.

Still, that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers, that sounds terrible. I chalk up all this is like moderation to everything. Yeah. Less of everything.

It's like I disagree with some people that I really trust, you know, you know, um what's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino? Is it Paul? The carnivore doctor?

Yeah. I really like most of what he says, but he's like, "Don't drink." And it's like, it's like, "Well, maybe if also it's maybe it's pretty nice to have a glass of wine. It's nice to laugh with friends. And it's nice like that's important, too, in life. And I think balance we can you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme, and then you're just like the social life and you're you know, you can't, you know, go out and like, you know, really enjoy yourself for a second.

Yeah. Moderation. Moderation. And you're absolutely right about social life being loneliness kills people quicker than anything else. 100%. Yeah.

People that are lonely, they have uh they die younger than people who smoke cigarettes. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's bad for you. Yeah.

It's Being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right? It's bad. Feels bad.

Probably bad for you. [laughter] Feeling good is good for you. So, a little tipsy with your friends, you're laughing, "Bah, I love you. I love you, too, bro." It's great. It's great.

It's great for people. Yeah, you're going to feel like [bleep] Take your electrolytes. Take your Take your electrolytes, drink a lot of water, get in the [bleep] sauna. Yeah. Yeah, don't do it every day.

Don't do it every day. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Get an IV. Yeah.

Dave Chappelle taught me that trick. When I was touring with Dave, all he would do is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He would get vitamin IVs in the morning. They They would get it all the time. To big bags of glutathione to deal with the alcohol.

[laughter] Yep. Yep. Uh you'd go into like Dave would have a room. You'd go into the room and there'd be like eight of us there all hooked up to IV bags, talking [bleep] It was fun. That sounds good.

But it's smart. Like that's how you counteract the fact that look, he takes a lot of There's a lot of benefit, particularly for his job, right? Like Dave's job is being silly and pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better way to do that than to be talking [bleep] with your friends with a couple drinks in you. Imagine all the things you would have missed.

Yeah. That wouldn't have and been in your comedy, that wouldn't have been in your life. And you You've just I got to go home now. It's 8:00. I got to go home.

You're like, "Well, that's Exactly. [clears throat] You become a boring person, too. But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like, "Oh, I've done this dance before. I got to get up at 6:00." Yeah.

See you guys. Yep. There's good to that, too. It's like you have dis- you have to have discipline, but you also have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard.

It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like what you're saying about vitamins, like I'm get off the boat, I'm on the boat, you know? Yeah. Like that. It's like there's some things that should be non-negotiable.

And for me, there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables. All the other things I'll [bleep] around with in terms of like bonus, right? Yeah.

Bonus rounds. You have to get cardio, you have to hit weights, you got to stretch, you got to get good sleep. Yeah, I have to do the workout stuff just for my brain. The like above the body stuff, it's great to keep the body healthy and I'm very aware of that and I'm I think about that as well, but for me it's my brain.

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When I have a nice good hard workout day, I'm so easy going, I'm so free. Do you have ADHD? Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, same. I think everybody does.

Anybody [laughter] that's any good at anything has it. Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD. it's I think it's a superpower. No, I do, too. I always tell people and and you're probably dyslexic. No, not dyslexic.

Yeah. Okay, cuz that goes hand in hand. Quite often, yeah. And and Are you dyslexic? I'm dyslexic.

And now so explain [clears throat] to me what you see when you like see text. I jump. Oh. I jump. So, you know, you need to go left to right.

Uh-huh. My brain starts and then jumps and then it goes to kind of skip of the subject matter? Like if you're think if you're reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? Yeah, and now it just takes intense focus for me to read and once I get in a good rhythm, I can get going. I can train my brain to read better.

Mhm. But when I'm not focused or and there's other things going on, I jump and then my brain has a really tough time so I get tired very easily and then it's like oh, and I get you know, I get a little frustrated, tired and then I fall asleep. Mhm. Like that. I do fall asleep if I try to read at night, but [clears throat] um I don't have a hard time reading.

So, I don't have the dyslexic thing. But I I've had friends that have it and I don't understand. I'm like so you see it, right? And you're going through it, but what is going on with your brain where it's making you jump back and forth? know. I think it's just losing focus.

I don't I don't know. And regardless of the like it could be the most important thing you've ever read. You know, like what if you just like won the lottery? You got a piece of paper in the mail and it says Scott, you just won $5 billion [laughter] and you're like, wait a minute, do I owe $5 billion? What does that say?

I can't read this. Read this for me. Yeah. No, I don't Yeah, it's just I don't know if it's about it's about the Text messages are cool. Yeah, I mean all it's all it just it's harder.

And now, you know, like when I grew up they didn't give any sort of special treatment to that. Now, it's almost mandatory in schools. Right. dyslexic, they give you more time for test taking, they give you more time for reading, they they have, you know, Mhm. uh teachers that will help with the dyslexia. There's tools you can you can use now. Yeah.

So, I got kind of boned. I want to check something [clears throat] here cuz this is something weird. Could be related. Uh I've been seeing this a lot online and I'm very curious about this. Uh people are saying there's a link between ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, Mhm. and histamine levels in your body.

And I brought this up on the screen. It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that pops up about it. There is some studies to it. And what I've been seeing is this link people are taking Zyrtec and Pepcid AC together, which creates some sort of histamine receptor blocking. Huh, [snorts] interesting. is where I'm like, I don't know.

It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway and skin and reducing allergic responses, sinus congestion. So, they're saying that it's it's a reaction to histamines? That's that's like that's the mixture of Zyrtec. Zyrtec's more like allergies, everyone's into that. [clears throat] Pepcid AC is like acid and you know, acid reflux. there's different things that they're talking about when they're saying ADHD.

Like I could see people being easily distracted, but when I say ADHD, the people that I know that have it, usually there's one or two things in their life that they can really [bleep] focus on. You know, whether it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that you do where you could just focus on that. But other stuff you're just scatterbrained and you can't and they'll say oh you have ADHD. You know, or you know, you're thinking a million things at once you can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD but everyone I know that has that it's always whether or not they're interested in the thing.

Sure. As soon as they find the thing they're interested in they can lock in for [bleep] 12 hours and forget to eat. Well, you know how some with some people when pressure Sorry to cut you off. Uh when like you squeeze people they either excel or they fold. Right.

When you squeeze typically I excel. So I don't know if where that comes from but when you put the pressure on I mean that's why maybe you know, I can do the job I do and it's like there's 200 people looking at you and Right. Ready to an emotional scene and you got to bring yourself to tears or it's emotional and it's like you squeeze. Some people are good at it. Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at it because you didn't have a backup plan.

You know, that's also part of it. It's like you you know, your dad wasn't going to help you out. You really were out there like if you want to make it in anything you have to be able to perform. Like no matter what it is. If you're a lawyer, when you're in court you have to perform.

You have to you have to be able to like keep your [bleep] together and execute. That's your job relies on that. And if you're a focused person you recognize that and you work hard to make sure that you focus and [clears throat] that you can execute when when it's important. It's like people that avoid things that make them uncomfortable they never develop that skill and that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most important skills you could ever have with anything is being able to focus and being able to perform under pressure. It's very important.

Yeah. And we're missing that in life. You know, we don't have these life or death moments like that our ancestors had all the time where some [bleep] villagers are sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and you run back to the [bleep] camp and you grab the bows and arrows and you go to war. Like we don't have that. So, we don't have like like a constant checking of whether or not your pressure sy

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stem is functional. Yeah, I mean, to bring it to this movie that I've got coming out tomorrow, it's a World War II movie. Lucky Strike, I'll say the name, plug it. That generation of men [clears throat] had that, right? Because they, I mean, World War II, I talked to my dad about it.

What it was like, he was only like 12 years old when World War II was going on. But, he says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles because it was we didn't know what was going to happen. I mean, people were scared for their life, even back home in America. They didn't know what was going to happen. And that, I think, is why that generation of men and women are just from a different breed.

Yeah. You know, and you know, you you've said it before on your podcast. It's like, the the hard hard men, you know, create easier times, easier times create and it's like the cycle that we're in and it's Mhm. It's Yeah, I don't know. It's I don't know, I think we need a little bit of that.

We need a little hard harder men. 100%. Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No, there's criminal behavior. Like, toxic masculinity is a guy who beats people up and robs people and rapes. That's toxic man.

That's criminal behavior. Yep. Okay, masculine behavior is not it's protective. Masculine behavior is a guy who gets things done, provides for his family, takes care of people. You can call him at 2:00 in the morning cuz you need a favor.

You're stuck on the side of the road. Like, Yep. all that [bleep] is important. Strong people are good. It's It's good to have strong people. Like, and this idea that somehow or another strength is bad for society is like really crazy.

No, that's It's like, no, it's the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise and I would say for men you should at least try martial arts. 100%. It's so good for your brain. It's so good for your confidence. It's so good for your humility.

And you're also your understanding of like your vulnerability. Cuz so many people are [bleep] delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that don't know how to fight start fights and you're like, do you want to die? Are you trying to die? Cuz you're you're going to run into some [bleep] guy who knows how to fight and he's going to hit you in the face and you're going to bounce your head off the [bleep] concrete.

You're going to die. Yep. So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from not being around violence all the time.

Yeah. Not sharpened. Sharpened. Yeah. Yep.

Having experience. [clears throat] Knowing what it actually is. And it's dangerous and you should you should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably good for you. It's good to experience a little bit of fear.

It's good to be nervous. It's like Yeah. You got to grow and we are we're in a society where people just want relaxation. They want comfort. They want entertainment and they just want to be sedentary and that is [bleep] terrible for our mental health.

Coincidentally, we're in a mental health crisis where a giant percentage of people who act that way who are sedentary and overweight and not taking care of themselves are mentally ill. You said something that was interesting. The the being scared. Being really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is. Yeah.

For me when I you know, it was it's been martial arts but it's also been surfing. Oh, yeah. And you know, being scared for your life on big days and going through that and getting to the other side, you've never been calmer. You've never been more zen with nature and clear in your mind about and and happy because you've accomplished something. You pushed your boundaries.

You kept pushing them and pushing them. How old were you when you started surfing? I was young. Uh uh 8 10. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Yeah. yeah. mean, you know, where it was like and and, you know, at first it's, you know, these waves scare you. And then it's, you know, the you know, bigger than the room scare you. And and you go through these and they kind of could be almost you feel like life and death

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experience if you you know, if you push if you're pushing yourself. Have you ever had a shark situation? I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's um that's been like, "Oh my god." If I saw a shark, that would be oh my god. I'm on a Styrofoam [bleep] Yeah. Yeah, well, well, there's a there's a difference between between you know, seeing a shark further away or seeing a shark on a boat or seeing a shark you know isn't going to hurt you.

What are you talking about? You have a conversation with the shark? Bro, we're cool, right? look, [laughter] you spend you spend as much time in the water You spend as much time in the water [snorts] as as, you know, surfer have done it their whole life. You you you kind of understand what what sharks are going to hurt you. What's going on here, Jamie?

Great whites stalking paddle boarders last week. Oh, great. [laughter] Oh, good lord. Do they even know it's happening? not appear that way. Oh my god, how do they not see that fin?

Yeah. Not looking behind them. Oh my god, they didn't even see it. That's You sure this isn't AI? Oh, it's ABC News. going around the Wow.

But I don't I don't actually don't think there's any more sharks. I think there's just more cameras. You know, there's just more people with drones and cameras seeing them. Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places where people are, for sure. I think particularly in um northern California.

Also Australia, too. Yeah, well, Australia has a lot of them, man. They they seem to be angry over there, too. [laughter] Like their sharks are angry. for political reason or something. [bleep] their crocodiles are angry.

They [bleep] people up. I was uh reading reading about this guy who was the first guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830 something and the story is I don't know if this is true Jamie pull this up and see if it's true. The guy's name supposedly rest in peace Tommy Tommy Woodward. He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange, Texas when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People warned him about a massive alligator been seen in the water.

His friend pointed out near the dock and his response was [bleep] that gator. That was the last thing he said. And then they killed the gator killed him. He was the first guy killed from an alligator in Texas since 1836. Yeah, you don't swim in the Bayou.

If there's a Bayou that is one of the most Texas [bleep] things that anybody's ever said. [bleep] that gator right before he died. He's probably drunk as [bleep] Drunk as [bleep] He jumped in the water [bleep] that gator is a wild thing to say before the gator eats you and that's you know humility. You got to have a little humility Tommy. Tommy don't say [bleep] that gator.

Here it is. Man mocks alligator jumps in water and is killed. [laughter] Oh this is recent. No no it's 2015. So what is the story what does it say?

Does it say he said [bleep] that gator in this article? [laughter] So there's a sign that's posted it says no swimming alligators and oh yeah it said it he removed his shirt removed his billfold someone shouted a warning and he said blank that gator blank the alligators. [bleep] he said [bleep] why did they say blank? Why didn't they just write F dash dash dash jumped in the water and almost immediately yelled for help. doesn't flex any of the F-words or that. Right.

Right, right, right. Yeah. [laughter] Immediately yelling for help is crazy. Yeah. No bueno.

Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back. Uh we went alligator hunting and uh they're everywhere. Like it's kind of disconcerting. We were in the Everglades like in the there's a ranch where you can go hunt alligators.

It is uh they're everywhere. It's It's not hard to find them. They're [bleep] all over the place. Like it's How many of them are there that you don't see is the real question. It's a weird feeling cuz I thought like it would be like hunting elk.

Like you got to go find them. Like we'd be glassing for them. Where's the elk? Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything?

Somebody [clears throat] make a call. Do you hear that out there? No, no, no. There's this one. Oh, there's one.

Oh, here's one. Or here's a dead one. Here's one one another alligator killed. They're [bleep] Look at this. No, thanks.

Dinosaurs, man. Where's this? This is guy's tent? Yeah. Oh, got Bro, run.

Yeah, get that video off. What is wrong with you? this. Isn't this in like Brazil? I think so, yeah. Like this is in Brazil.

I think this guy Oh, [bleep] all that. Look at all the eyes. [gasps] Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, that was what I was trying to get to. Oh my god.

That's terrifying. seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, So they must all come out of the water at night and this dude put his tent there. plus the five on the shore. Oh my god, dude. That is insane. That's insane. And you know they're all hungry.

If there's that many of them, how many deer can they eat, you know? either. They're not small at all, dude. They're all could eat you. big [bleep] all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being there was the just the sheer numbers of them. And then knowing how many pythons there are.

And you I didn't see any pythons. But I I go, "How many Do you guys see pythons?" They go, "Bro, like occasionally you'll be just driving you'll see something making its way across the road and it's 15 ft long." No. Thank you, no gracias. Thick like a [bleep] football player's thigh. I don't I don't mess with that.

See, I don't I'm I would way rather be in the water with sharks. Cuz at least you can you can you know, you can open your eyes. You can see climb a tree if you're out in the woods. But in the bayou, I don't know, man. It's a swamp.

It's Yeah, don't go in the water water there. Yeah. But outside of the water, I would way rather be on ground. you're like if you have, you know, distance and you have a gun. You have a lot of things. When you're in the water with a shark, you're [bleep] man.

You can barely move. can actually if you if you they're really deterrent by if you touch their nose. So, if they're coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose, they're usually going to turn. For real? Yeah. Have you done this?

No. How do you get so close? No, I'm done. I don't I'm not going to do they come after you, don't flip your legs and scream and flail. Get underwater and and bop them.

Yep. Bop them on the nose. Bop them. I've heard that before. I've heard punch them.

I'm like, what are you talking about? [laughter] Yeah, here it says, "Bop the nose. How punching a shark in the face saved this Hawaiian surfer." I mean, look, it's not good either way. You don't want to be in the water with an angry shark. Well, in Florida, um they don't have as many shark problems, but they do have bull sharks.

And I was watching this video, there's these guys that go fishing. I guess it's the Keys, and they go off of this giant bridge, and it's like real far to the water. So, they have to have this like gaff system where they drop a line down, and they gaff the fish enough to pull it up. They're catching these tunas, and they never get them to the to the to the bridge. They're just getting destroyed by sharks.

There's sharks all over the place down there. Yeah, bull sharks are real dangerous because they [clears throat] they'll keep attacking, whereas a lot of sharks bite out of, you know, misconfusion, right? They're they sort of think you're a seal or something, and they didn't know, and then they bite and they're like, "Ah, okay." Bull sharks, they'll just keep coming. They're like little chihuahuas. Like pitbulls.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, [bleep] those things. They catch them a lot now. What is going on with this guy?

Bull sharks eating a tuna? Oh, really? [laughter] I thought this was the video, but there was actually no views on that, so maybe not. Uh well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that I've seen Is this in the Keys as well? big shark circling.

I thought it was going to be a little more exciting than this. Oh man, imagine you're pulling a fish in, you see a shark. You're like, you just take it. Take the fish. Jesus Christ.

But there's a lot of guys that they pulled them in, they're cut in half, you know. Oh, yeah. So, you can they bull shark fish down there now. You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to reduce the population cuz apparently it's a very high population.

Mhm. Do you know bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made? Do you know the the original story behind Jaws? No, I didn't know that. The inspiration was actually uh bull shark attacks in fresh water on a river in New Jersey.

So, bull sharks are one of the weird sharks that can live in fresh water. Yeah, right. Is this the the thing? Yeah, so this is the They caught that bull shark and they killed I think two people, right? Series of shark attacks.

[clears throat] Four people were killed and one critically injured. Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heatwave and polio epidemic in the United States that drove thousands of people to seaside resorts in the Jersey Shore. So, uh they think it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate, but it's in fresh water. It's not going to be did a a 40th anniversary Jaws screening in that bay and people sat in the water to watch the movie.

[laughter] Also, natural selection. It's a great way to watch it. they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois. Oh, yeah. Up the river system. Yeah, they make their way up the river.

That's scary. That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark and they found them in fresh water. I think that dude that used to have that show River Monsters. You remember that guy?

Oh yeah, I remember the show. Yeah, the guy who just caught fish all the time like the craziest No, he wasn't a redneck. He was actually like a educated guy with a foreign accent. Where was he from? River Monsters, huh?

Yeah. I mean I remember the show. I just don't I don't know if I ever watched it. I just remember seeing it. What's it?

Manny from like the the The River Monsters guy. The guy with the gray hair. Oh. He was a right. fisherman. Jeremy Wade's his name.

That's his name. Yeah, where's he from? He's not from America, right? British. There you go. biologist.

Yeah, British biologist. I think he did an episode on the bull sharks. I think there was one of those where they were trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized like these things they go way up the rivers. Yeah.

Way and they can live in fresh water unlike all the regular sharks. Yeah. I think. [snorts] Yeah. Maybe some of them can.

But I think most of them have to be in salt water like great whites, stuff like that. They have to be in salt But they do find I mean they've tagged great whites and they're they'll go around the world. I mean you think they would have they thought you know historically that they stayed in certain temperature of waters and certain migrating patterns but they're they've found them all over. Yeah, my daughter got really into Megalodons at one point in time so we really started like researching Megalodons. She got a Megalodon tooth Yeah, you know what I mean for the Oh, no, we didn't go We just got one online.

But you you start watching documentaries on Megalodons and you know, and then there's the people that think the Megalodons might still be out there. And you're like okay. [laughter] Probably not but either way like the fact that that thing actually exists. Shark the size of a whale. Just out there [bleep] everything up.

Yep. Like you you wouldn't be surfing if there was Megalodons, would you? I probably still would. I mean I don't I don't know. I mean It's not a bad way to die I guess.

Swallow you whole, son. Swallow you whole. You have to get You'll suffocate and get digested. Yeah, out there doing something you love. Yeah.

You know, that's a good story. I guess, for other people. I mean, it'd be pretty quick. You know, what's worse? What's worse?

You live this crazy long life and you're in bed for the last 5 to 7 years of your life and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that, or you just bam, get hit by a shark? I don't know. I think kind of. Yeah. I could see it, I guess, but still.

The instinct to stay alive is so strong. Yeah. When I'm 100 years old and I'm in my bed, I'm like, "Maybe they're going to have a new drug that's going to bring me back to life." Yeah. They probably will be able to do that, too. We're just going to get real weird.

If they really can take old people, like I was watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells, and at least in a lab, they've been able to take human skin cells and take like 60-year-old skin cells and make them 20 again. Yeah. That's going to be really weird. Well, I just don't Here's the thing, like I'm all about living the best version of your life, being as healthy as you can. Maybe not for like whatever you get, like being optimal.

But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing about life is that it is finite? Yeah. And then it's like people say, "Oh, I'm going to live forever." It's like they're going to It's like I don't know if I want to live forever. Yeah. No, there's something to that, man.

Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it. Mentioned him earlier. What happens? This guy gets eaten by a whale.

No way. It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And it's about him surviving Is it real? She's I don't believe so. He's falling through that thing's mouth. is stuck in the whale's mouth?

Oh. Yeah, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving. Oh, Jesus. And then the rest of the movie is about Getting out? Getting out, I guess.

Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body? It's a real complex plot. He's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his tank inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude. joking. Oh my god, and it just keeps swallowing him?

Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about. Oh god [laughter] damn it. Is that real? Is that a new movie? real movie. yeah. Movie comes Oh my god.

I saw the trailer recently and I was just just made me think of it when you were talking about it. It might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever been made. I can't decide. Yeah, I don't know how I feel. What do you do if you have a knife?

Do you try to carve your way out? Of the whale? Yeah. You have to do it. You have to have a knife, yeah.

You would But how much time would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? Forever. [laughter] You're going to run out of air. If you have the scuba tank and you have a knife, do you really think you can get through a whale and ooh, I don't know about that blubber. How long does it take to gut a fish?

But it's not a fish. It's It's It's a [bleep] bus. Okay, you're going to use You're very motivated. That's true. That's true.

But you got to get through rib cages. I don't know if that's um a thick enough plot to have a whole movie. [laughter] And they get you with the script. Scott! This is the big one.

Green light, now. This is it. This [laughter] is our Jaws. Oh god, the the business sometimes just Oh, it's so bad. would it take you to carve your way out of a whale? 80-ft sperm whale and he's got less than an hour of oxygen. Oh.

So, that's your guy to tell I don't know if that's enough time. [laughter] You don't got to crawl crawl through 80 ft. I think if you kept cutting it up, it might throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue, just kept slashing it all that, he might just throw you up. up, but yeah. Yeah, he might recognize there's something wrong.

Like you would. Like if something was If you put something in your mouth and started biting your tongue, you'd be like You'd try to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale would do that, too. I'd just start [bleep] up his tongue. There you go.

Also, to keep you from getting digested, just stab him and just pull yourself forward. I'm glad you have You have an exit plan. You've got a plan. You're not going to cut your way out. I just think there's too much bone.

I don't think you're going to make through it through that bone. Unless you go through I don't even know where you would go. Like the neck. I could figure out how to get through on an elk. I'll go that way.

I would go where the holes are. There's holes back here where the you know the guts are and there's holes up here, you know, like where you'd shoot them if you're shooting a frontal. They're not going to cast you in this movie. They're you're like oh, he's getting out too quick. I don't think I'm getting out quick.

I think I'm dying of no air. I don't think I'm going to make it. Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here. You're going to be somewhere around here. See, I want to get out through the neck.

See right there? That's where I want to get out. But all that stuff if you Yeah, but you're not It's going to take too long for you to get through all those No, you go right to the sphincter and just like, you know, open the little blow hole. Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No, there's too much traveling, okay?

You're going to want to go through where you came in. You don't want to go through the intestines, I'll pray to God. No, and also you're dealing with acids. They're going to burn and I think you want to cut through the front. So I think as he's swallowing you, you got to dig in and you got to make your way through the bottom of his jaw.

You got to start cutting and maybe you get out. But what greenlit this movie? So we need to find out. Yeah. Some crazy person.

Maybe it's really good. [laughter] Josh Brolin's in it. It probably kills. actually came from a pretty popular well like New York Times best selling novel. Oh my god. Sounds like a pretty good story.

They made a movie out of it. There was a whale they spotted fairly recently [snorts] that had a harpoon in it from the 1800s. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's alive?

Yeah. It was alive. Yeah, and it had this harpoon embedded in it. See if we can find that story. That's a wild Might be some Instagram horse [bleep] Oh, okay. 2007, but Yeah, fairly recently.

I remember that. They they found this whale and they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, 2007. Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska made a remarkable discovery of 50-ft bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of a late 19th century bomb lance, an explosive harpoon embedded in its neck. The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts, the explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in the late 1880s.

So, the whale's age by survival surviving the initial attack, whale lived for over a century with the metal tip lodged safely in its neck thick blubber. Uh the extraordinary survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live for 100 to over 200 years. Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they travel to Alaska with that device? That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in Massachusetts a lot, so they probably like made good tech, like East Coast manufacturing, and then they probably shipped it off to Alaska.

There's not as many people up there. So, they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. So, they shipped it off to Alaska in the 1870s? They shipped it out there? They would ship things by train.

They would ship things by train and boats into the Yeah, I mean, they always had that. They always had trade. You know, you could always ship things. Not easy, but if you wanted to get guns, like say if there was a you know, if the army was in California in the 1800s, they had to get guns and they would get the guns shipped to them. Yeah, yeah.

They would either carry the guns with them as they made their way across the country or they could get them shipped to them. Yeah, I went to um I shot a movie in Iceland. Oh god, 20 It feels like 20 year I think it was 20 years ago. Um What was it? Uh the movie?

Yeah. It was called It was Flags of Our Fathers. And it was also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort of trade was it's it's not wasn't looked at in the same way I think Americans like look at whaling that like oh my god how dare you. They look at it's normal.

Yeah, it's it was really interesting. to stay alive. Yeah, and it's like where where do you draw the line? It's everyone's got this like oh you can't kill this but I can have my Listen dude, if you go to Iceland whaling is on the menu. Yeah. Cuz you need to stay alive.

Like especially way back in the day Oh yeah. there was not a lot of resources in Iceland. Mhm. You know. They have a fermented shark dish in Iceland that there it's very popular that Bourdain told me was the single most [bleep] disgusting thing he's ever eaten. Really?

And it's a delicacy. Like they all love it. See if you can find this fermented shark thing that they eat. I will What we got? [clears throat] That whale was interesting question kind of like what I asked.

It's a it was even older. There's like another problem is that that device would have been used up by 1890 it says cuz they were very popular. Oh. So I don't know how specifically it would have gotten in that whale. Interesting.

It says what you don't know is if some Yankee whaler had a harpoon made in 1830 traded to an Inuit and then the Inuit or his offspring used it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was patented and stocks were used up quickly Box Dose and his colleagues identified a narrow window which they believe the whale was shot somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska will now try to verify the estimate by examining the lens of the whale's eyes. Woah. Whales generally become cloudy their eyes become cloudy as they age.

Found only in Arctic waters the bowhead was in danger of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century but bounced back after demand for whalebone whalebone corsets plummeted. Holy [bleep] dude. That was it? Whalebone corsets were killing all the Imagine the whales. They're like, "Why are they killing us?

Are they eating us?" Like, "No, these chicks, they just want to suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot." Like, "What? No, no, they can't be serious, right?" That's what they made them out of? Yeah. Oh, wow.

So, it had like spines Mhm. from the whale bones. What? So, that's what it looked like? Like a cord They turn into like a almost like a like strap? Whalebone.

That's whalebone? This is a strange What? Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just use wood? Steel boning versus synthetic whalebone.

They probably ate the whales and then they were like, "Oh, look, there's excess bone we can use." Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and realized it was kind of flexible. Well, no, these whalebones weren't even made from bone at all. I went to a I went to my buddy's uh cattle processing plant in California and they use everything. Really? everything. They use the uh uh part of the heart, I believe.

Oh, it's it's an organ, I can't remember. They use it uh in medical operations. They pull it out and then they send it on ice. They use it for some patching of the heart thing. I mean, down to everything.

Hooves, everything. Wow. And it's it's actually like fascinating to see. You're like, "Oh, this is super efficient." This uses for a lot of different applications. For hide, for for all kinds of stuff.

Which makes sense because it's all valuable. Why would you not use it all? And it makes people feel better if you know that the whale's being completely harvested. Like, every Completely. Everything is used.

Yep. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, we we If you have a connection, that's really the best way to get food. If you have a connection with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and it's all grass-fed meat and the animals are raised on a pasture like they're supposed to be. the way they slaughtered them at this place was super It was really gentle. They And that was their whole thing.

It's like we're taking a soul, but this is part of life, right? Life eats life. And the way they did it was really painless. And it was just boom boom and then it was super well Country for Old Men style? With the Oh, with the air bullet thing. through the head. goes right to the Apparently that just shuts the lights off.

Shuts the lights off quick and then they bleed them out. How How badass was that [bleep] in that movie? Javier? Oh my god. Javier was so good.

He's such a good It might have been one of the single best performances I've ever seen in a movie. Yeah. Because you believed him. Yeah. You believed him.

When he's making that dude flip that quarter? Oof. You know? He's I mean, he gives you the chills. Oh, yeah.

That hair That weird haircut. Yeah, weird haircut. And it But it's just the commitment to being a psycho. Like that dude's got some darkness in his eyes. Mhm.

That might Yeah. [laughter] I get that weird haircut. Crazy haircut. God, he just Javier is a bad [bleep] dude. His There's something about his bad guys that are Like this Cape Fear role that he's in now.

Mhm. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it either, but the [bleep] trailer made me uncomfortable. Just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's a good creep.

He He plays a real good psycho. Yeah. You know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it. And some guys you're like, come on, man. You're a nice guy.

[laughter] Also, the original Cape Fear, I mean, Robert De Niro in the original Cape Fear, man. You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like what is more challenging for you?

Like to play a bad guy or to play a like the World War II thing, you got to play someone from a different era, which I would i

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magine has its own challenges. But is it a hard for you cuz you're so nice. Like do you have a Would you have a Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys? Uh well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which was like, you know, the ultimate, right? Yeah.

He rules. Yeah, and uh Wrath of Man, and it was actually kind of liberating, kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're not supposed to. You know, you could like act out on your impulses a little bit. Uh you know, you think of something [bleep] up in your head, and you're like, "Why would I Why did I think that?

I'm I I'm not going to punch that person in the face. Why did I think that?" You kind of like [snorts] you know, to a like a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything, but you you could kind of like revel in your own like messed up thinking. Mhm. Um but I don't I don't love doing it, to be honest. I think uh I think I want to do it very selectively.

Like I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's I think he's one of the best best best. Ever. Look at you. Yeah.

And so, you know, I was I got to I had to kill a kid there, and I was I had to just do the dirty work and get it done. Even look evil there. Like something's something's different. Yeah. Look at your face.

Doesn't even look like you. [laughter] Okay. You look evil. You look like legitimately evil. Yeah.

Yeah, it's loose I was tying up loose ends there. Is it um when you're doing that, when you're playing an evil guy, are you thinking evil? A little. I'm Look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a job. I treat it as [clears throat] a job.

I'm not one of these crazy psychos that like like let things become distorted in your mind. Or you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for 6 months. I mean, yeah. I mean, I believe him. Daniel Day-Lewis, I believe him. him.

So, I don't know. Maybe you know, maybe I You know, if you want to be the best, I think it comes with a price. And that price is sanity. Yeah. bit of sanity. Uh-huh. to give it up.

My dad was never like that. He was like, "It's a job. Like, go to work, do the best you can, put in the reps, make sure you're you know your [bleep] and you come prepared, and you have some something interesting, but like leave it at the door, man. Yeah. You know, you see people like their minds get twisted and you know, we deal in with artists, right?

Artists are they can be special sometimes. Yeah, and they take themselves very seriously. Yeah. Um but there's also a certain amount of you have to be thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're really going to pull it off.

And you really did pull it off. So, you had to be having some evil thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I had some dark to talk to you about that. it was a greedy role.

Yeah. And I was like I kind of let the greed take over. Mhm. Which is a little which is a little scary. So, do you have to think like a greedy guy before the like like when you're getting ready for a scene, like how do you get your head in that space?

Yeah, a lot of manifesting sort of those thoughts and emotions. Like what I [bleep] do. I want to [bleep] take whatever I [bleep] I want right now. You know, so you sort of you know, you you play that, but then you got to let it go. Like the end of the day, man, you got to let it go.

Right. to be like, all right, cool. That was that was that thing. And then It's got to be slippery, right? I think it can be if you don't have if you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, "Hey, we're telling stories. It's fun.

I'm so grateful I've gotten to do it. Uh but it doesn't define me. It might have made me, but it's not going to break me. Right. I have other interests and other things and I know there's other important [bleep] out there that I could do in this life.

I think you have to have that level of thinking because if you think this is everything and I mean, it's too extreme. It's like extreme what we're talking about before. It it can get to it's not healthy. Mhm. A a of people have problems after roles are done.

Like apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman. Cuz Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to talk to him about that because it seems like he got from all accounts that people that worked with him on the film like he got so into that character that he was like being Andy Kaufman all the time. Yeah, we heard a lot of accounts like it was it was like they were like, "Dude, you got to chill. You got to [laughter] You got to chill." I mean, I've worked with some that are that have taken it to the level. said Jared Leto did that when he was playing the Joker.

The people like, "Hey man, stop. Stop sending me dead birds, rats, you dead rats." Uh Shia LaBeouf, I mean Yeah. LaBeouf LaBeouf? I don't know. get corrected. Sorry, Shia.

Shia. But yeah, there's a lot of those guys they they they go into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out. It's just uh I think just having Also, it's like frontal cortex being defined right? Like you get famous too early when you did you know, I was I worked as a valet. I worked as a bar bag.

I freaking did all these shitty jobs that you know, you kind of like, "Oh, now I understand like how the real world operates." You get famous too early, you get stunted in your growth. Mhm. And I truly believe that. I think so, too. And it's a real crime when they do it to little kids.

It's 100%. make it out normal. No. I never met one. I've I've met some people Leo Leo made it out. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean he he he was a child actor. That's right. he had good people around him. He had you know, he he's disciplined and he um yeah, he's got a good like sense of the world. That's good. Yeah.

But he always has like 20-year-old girlfriends. It's easy to be happy. [laughter] Isn't that everything? on a yacht with 20-year-olds. I don't understand like what do they even talk about? But at the end of the day Maybe less talking. there's very few Well, he did really he really was famous on You were pretty young though.

Yeah, real young. He might be the only one. But I mean I guess Jodie Foster she seems pretty put together. She doesn't seem like she's lost her [bleep] marbles. But then you see the Britney Spears of the world and these other people and you go, "Oh man, I don't think that was really good for them." You know?

Yeah, there's I think also Corey Feldman. You see these people that were like huge movie stars when they're young and as they're getting older it's like I don't think they're doing good. I think their head's all [bleep] up. Yeah, well when you place too much value on that [snorts] too and then it goes away and where where's your identity? I had Macaulay Culkin in here and he was very interesting.

Um, very nice guy. Like very smart guy, interesting guy, but he struggles. You know, it's like he realizes he was sort of robbed of a normal childhood. Yeah. Became famous as a little kid, man.

Home Alone, he was little. Yeah. My dad I mean, kudos to my dad cuz he he did really good job of protecting us from that. And and very private. We didn't live in LA, didn't live you know, we we lived in Carmel.

We were It was a very you know, as normal as it could be. But in the sense that it he was like, "No, that's you know, you just you need to be a a normal child and learn how the world works." Carmel's beautiful, man. It is. Nice place to grow up. Yeah.

They say they say a newlywed and nearly dead. Right? That's what it is. Cuz it's like People get married there and then they [bleep] go there to die. Yeah.

It's so true. Yeah. It's a little slow for me, but it's beautiful. I I do I do appreciate it. I have annoying homeowners associations.

Oh, yeah. Come on. I bet they like, "You were out there digging and you doing No what you're supposed to do." "This is off-white. This is not white. Your fence is the wrong color." Yeah.

[bleep] get a life. Well, old people love to control their their neighborhood. They they get horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really into controlling the neighborhood like I'm like so bored with that story. I'm like, "God, you can you just be different?

Can you just [laughter] surprise me with something else, you know?" Yeah. And old people like to live around other old people, too. Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties, you know? Yeah.

So, that's why Carmel like calls out to them. And if you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you got old people living around old rich people. Yeah. The most fun.

[laughter] They're the most fun. Yeah. The Yeah. They're the most entitled. Yeah.

The most they think they could tell you the most what to do cuz they used to telling everybody what to do. But still, Carmel, [bleep] beautiful. Beautiful part of the country. Yeah. That coast, oh my god.

And also, sharks out there. A lot of great whites. They're all over the place up there. Yeah. But it's uh California, man, is one of the most beautiful places on Earth.

It has so much variation. There's so many you got deserts, you got the beach, you got mountains, you got you got everything all in this one beautiful state. Yeah, everyone was I mean, even in the the like development of our country, I was like everyone was going out west because it was so prestigious. And it was like, "Oh, the gold rush and getting out west." And then California, really LA, it was the movie industry. That's really what made of sad now because it's they've completely driven it out.

I mean, there you still have TV shows. Yeah. Barely have TV shows. Barely. It's brutal.

It's brutal with the still live there? No. You live out here now? Yeah, I'm I kind of I tell people I live on the road cuz that's essentially where I am. You know, I was I was Atlanta, I was here, I was there, I was Italy making a movie.

Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like they're never It's How many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days? It's not Don't even beneficial to live there. I have never I don't think I've ever worked on Maybe I've worked on one film, but it was for a week, and it was we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah.

They make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough. It's It's a sad because uh film is, you know, inherently like Hollywood is is inherently something that we've produced out of California, out of America, and it's like to see that uh just get completely blown up.

I know. Uh Do you have friends still live back there? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tons of California friends and you know, it I Look, I I was never I don't have a lot of industry friends.

I had I do have some, but actors like sometimes aren't my people. [laughter] They're just not. Right. I just I don't know. Like the I don't want to intellectualize about it.

I don't want to talk about acting. You know what I mean? Like it's like That's like cool. It's something I do, but it doesn't define me. You know?

Well, some of them are just they're so self-important. Yeah. And it's, you know, you're it's not even almost not their fault, almost, cuz they're getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets, and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee, and everyone's always catering to them. So, they they start feeling like they deserve that from the world.

Yeah. Yeah. It just gets real weird. It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in that industry, right?

It's right masked by um masked by like false security, right? Like it's like I'm I'm the man. I'm tougher. I'm I'm this thing. You build this ego up, and you're like Yeah.

Uh dude, like we're just still a job here. Can you get to set and shut the [bleep] up? It's just the attention that you get, you know, you get so much attention from the world that you start thinking you're important. And, you know, natural natural for human beings, but especially even more natural for people that pretend to be someone else for a living. No, and and and like some of the accountability, man, in the industry is unbelievable.

Like I I you know, I just worked with somebody that I think was just without saying any names, but you know, just Maybe you know, people just get like too famous for too long, but they think the world owes them something and then when it comes to like doing the right thing, you're like, "Dude, you got to just It's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be a piece of shit." You You can't do that. That's unacceptable behavior. And they're like, "Fuck that.

I can do whatever." And you're just like, "What, dude?" What are you talking about exactly? You could [laughter] You could say a name and then we'll edit it out. You want to do that? Well, yeah, I just, you know, we started working on a on a film with with a director and and they decided, you know, after we'd spent a bunch of money that they just didn't feel like they wanted to work with this other person and and didn't want to do the do the job, do the thing. And so, I was like, "Okay, well, you need to pay that money back now to that person who invested in you." And they're like, "I'm not going to do that." And it's like, "Well, yeah, you do.

Yeah, you do. That's the right thing to do." So, they decided they didn't want to work with another person and Yeah, they didn't want to work with another person after we like started pre-production on the film. So, they trying to get the person kicked off the the movie or were they leaving? left and they just They're It was their their directorial, their story, their thing. And it was just like, "Bro, you You took money from somebody." That's also a good way to get sued. That seems like a person can get sued pretty easy for that.

Yeah, but it's just It's like It's just the the bigger the bigger thing is just I've seen some behavior in this business that is shocking. That would not go in other industries. But for some reason, because they're actors. right? Yeah, you're like, "What, dude?" There's also a thing There's a thing that some people want to be a star so they can behave like that. They want to be a star so they can order people around or just do whatever the [bleep] they want to do and just be unpredictable and wild.

Like they they actually enjoy that aspect of being famous. Yeah, I I to be honest, I never I really didn't People People think they want to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich. Yeah.

Rich is better. But to be like that goal is so twisted. It's not like I love telling stories and when we're doing a creative endeavor and you move people, whether you'll make them laugh, make them cry, whatever. But the whole other side of that is like this really ugly. And it's I think I was lucky in some ways cuz I got to see it growing up and got to see like how it's [bleep] Um Right.

When your dad's one of the most famous movie stars of all time and he's just your dad. Yeah. You go, "Oh, this is bullshit." It's [bleep] Yeah, complete [bleep] your dad is not like a guy who gives into that stuff either. Yeah. He's not a guy who worships that kind of fame or is not interested in that at all.

Not at all. He's just a Put your boots on, go to work, man. It happens to be in an a creative endeavor, which is really cool. And gets to use that, you know, use that muscle, but Did you hesitate at all about getting into acting because your dad was so famous in it? Sure.

I think I was always like I think I was always like, "Hey, I love telling stories. I love watching movies. I love this." I don't know if exactly I wanted to ever be like just an actor. It wasn't like, "Oh, that's my But you love that thing. I love the storytelling of it and I was like a conduit in.

I'm doing other other things in film now, producing and I do want to direct. Um It'd be nice to like show up with my own clothes to work. [laughter] Wear this, wear that here. Um But also film's a director's medium. It's not really an actor's medium.

You need actors, it's part of the deal, but the making of a film goes way beyond the filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in in script and development, there's a film made while you're shooting it and there's a film made in editing. Have you ever directed anything before? Mhm. [clears throat] I've, you know, I've done in in a creative capacity where I've been a producer, I've you know had hand in directing.

Mhm. But not like hey, that's my that's my name on the on the thing and I'm super proud of it. I I just haven't found the right material to go out and kind of schlepp around. Do you write? No.

No? And I I I it's a backbone of the industry. Right. Yeah, if you could write your own thing. Yeah.

I don't know how I like when like the discipline to do it of like for what you do is um it's it's tough, you know, like you have to thought to paper, it's Mhm. That doesn't interest you? It it does in a sense. I just don't like sitting. [laughter] You know what I mean?

I I I am really good at collaborating and talking about material and saying, "What about this? What if he said this? What if he did this? What about this? What if we go this way?" So I think writing a film [clears throat] writing partner, yeah.

Yeah, maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you drive with that's creative and you guys can get together and you could come up with your own idea. That way you have like material that it's exciting for you and you could direct that. Cuz I would imagine if you're you've been working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these directors you work with. You've got a chance to see the the discipline in the the highest level. Like you get to see those guys do it.

You know, you get to see how they piece it together. Must be fascinating. It is. And everyone has a different uh different way of going about it. Like Guy Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy Ritchie.

You learn the script, then you show up and he's just like throws it out the window and goes, "You say this, you do that, you do this." And then you're like "Okay." And so if you're not It doesn't work for everybody. Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like, "This is awesome. Let's do Let's What is it?

Okay, let's go." So meaning he wants you to improvise? He wants you to talk like a real person? It's not necessarily that it's it's improvising. It's more he's seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats.

So he's seeing the movie what he's already shot and then he's like, "I actually don't want that scene. I want him to say this and this." He kind of like is molding the movie In real time. And then what he'll do is he'll go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked-out trailer and they'll watch the movie and he'll they'll they'll radio in and say, "Hey, say it like this or do you know, do it one more time." So he's kind of like watching the movie as a as an audience member. It's really interesting.

Is he the only one you know that does it that way? Yes, 100%. You And then you have guys like my dad who would never do that. They would They wouldn't even They're just They are like right there just going, "Okay." Have you heard Matt Damon's story? Uh I'm which one?

Matt Damon was working with your dad and he did a take and uh and he liked it but he wanted to do it again. He's like, "Can we do it again?" Clint's like, "No, we got it." Yeah. He's like, "But I've been [bleep] working forever on this thing." I want to I want one more go at it. He's like, "We got it." Yeah. And he probably said something like, "Well, if you want to waste everyone's time, sure." [laughter] And then Matt's like, "No, no, no, no, no.

We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good." Oh, so funny. Yeah.

It's so funny. Yeah, it um whatever Guy Ritchie's process is, it works. Cuz his [bleep] shows, his movies are some of my all-time favorites. Yeah. Right from the beginning, right from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.

Holy [bleep] his movies are so good. And he really did such a fantastic job of almost like uh he's like the benchmark for that genre of like British crime genre. Yes. That's him. That's the You think of British crime drama, oh, Guy Ritchie.

Yep. Guy Ritchie movie. Like there's this dude, his name is Lee Murray. Lee Murray he was a UFC fighter. Uh he was famous in London in England uh for being like a street fighter and this like crazy guy who's fighting in MMA at a really high level.

Like won in the UFC. And then was a part of the biggest armed robbery in the history of the UK. No way. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy was a full-on psycho.

He was a gangster. Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he got stabbed in the heart in a street fight. And they made a video of him hitting mitts 6 weeks later. 6 weeks later he's back in the gym. Pop, pop, pop.

It It's He was a crazy person. I got to see him fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend of mine. But so he got he got arrested for this crime. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, he's still in jail? He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount of money and they did it like in a very high-tech like like like the movie Heat. Like that crazy.

Like they had full masks on, armored [bleep] body armor, the whole deal. Yep. And how much did they steal? Um 53 million pounds, which is 92 million dollars. The biggest I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history. they Did they hurt They hurt people doing it?

They didn't hug them. They didn't [laughter] help them. I don't know if they killed anybody. No, I mean I was just wondering like if The largest peacetime cash robbery in world history. Wow.

So, it's worth 92 million dollars. Damn. 53 million pounds back then. So, that was in 2006. So, this is after he had been in the UFC. So, I you know, I would call this fight in the UFC.

I was doing commentary back then. Uh Wow. They left over 150 million behind. 150 million pounds because they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy [bleep] How did they get caught? Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has ever been recovered.

So, somebody made away with more than 30 million pounds. So, he flew to Morocco. Murray and several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British-Moroccan citizenship and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall in Rabat following an international manhunt.

Instead of being extradited, he was tried in Morocco after initially being sentenced to 10 years. Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping, and armed robbery. So, like when this guy got arrested and when everyone heard the story, everybody was saying that guy's got to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Yeah. Like that's that's how much Guy Ritchie has like locked down that genre. 100%.

Yep. And I think there was some talk. Is there talk about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist? Well, something came out in [bleep] Chasing Lightning? It came out already.

No, no, no, no. He didn't make that, but uh something came out. It's like a mini-series about it. Oh, about the heist? At crime.

But has Guy Ritchie been connected to a movie about it? Cuz I know a bunch of people are talking about it saying like it has to be a Guy Ritchie movie. Like if you're going to really capture who this guy was, like he was a real nut, like a real like world-class fighter. Who who would play him? Like give me the cuz I don't know what he looks like.

Jason Statham could probably nail it. Okay, well then there it is. He's perfect. Cast already. I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it, but cuz Lee Murray had a full head of hair, but it doesn't matter.

Cuz it's been a rumor for a long time, but he instead did a true crime docu-series called Diamond Heist instead, which is like a similar story, but it's not the same story at all. Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter who was also a robber, like a high-level Yeah. bank robber. I mean, you don't steal like $90 million without Do they have footage of that robbery?

Is there video footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it and they look nuts. Well, I mean, it looks like a movie. Like, you know, they have It might be. [bleep] masks on, everything, the whole deal.

It's just that when you think about that kind of a guy and that kind of a story, I mean, that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley. He's like that show Mob Land. God, that show is so good. It's good. It's so like It's like a movie that's like 7 hours long or however many episodes there are.

It's great. It really is great. Who is your Do you have a favorite guy that you've worked with? He's He's got to be I mean, he's Yeah, if if him Uh, I got to you know, I got to work with Oliver Stone. Oh, that's awesome.

Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil. [laughter] Iconic. Uh George Tillman Jr. is a great director. I don't know if you remember that movie Men of Honor. Yes.

Remember with Cuba Gooding Jr. I was there. Sure. He's a great director. There's a lot of there's I've I've gotten to you know work with some really cool David Ayer is really interesting.

That guy is a tough. He I don't know if you know his story but he was He's had a really dark past but he he was essentially he lived on a submarine for like 2 years like underwater. Woah. Yeah, he's I'm like you got some screws loose if you lived on a submarine for 2 years. Underwater for 2 years will [bleep] you up for 200 years.

I know. I'm like I'm just thinking about getting how how claustrophobic you could get like I got to get out of this [bleep] thing. Get me out. You're squashing that part of your brain way too long. Yeah.

I could do that for an hour. I don't even know if I [laughter] want I don't even know if I want to get in a submarine after I watched the um the tin can they just exploded. Oh, those people. Oh. Yeah.

I was like oh, that's not wise. Dude, when you watch the recreations of what must have happened to them they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go. Maybe better than a shark. Quick.

Cuz it's like that. Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're an idiot. Like you got in that stupid tin can. You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse.

I can't go down like that. Think about all these [bleep] people that would love to have a just a piece of your money so they could go have a margarita on the beach somewhere. I'm going to go to a tin can. It's going to be great. to go to the bottom of the ocean tell everybody. I look through a tiny window.

[bleep] [laughter] you. Well, I had you know a conversation with Cameron and Cameron went James Cameron went to the bottom of the [bleep] ocean by himself. No. No, that's not. There's so much so much wrong with that.

I'd be like of the Mariana Trench, right? Like I think he's the he holds the world record for like single piloted submarine vehicle the the deepest depths like No. And I also I feel the same way about space. You know, I'm like I'm a big Musk fan but I don't have any desire bro to go to Mars or go to space. out there, bro. Have fun.

You do that. Yeah. Okay? I'm all good here on this planet. It must be awesome to be just I would like to be in Earth's orbit once, just to look down.

I bet it's nice to see the like the the the whole Earth. Like that would be cool. they say you have that experience. Like all these different astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect. That you when you're above Earth looking down on it, it just you like, "Oh my god, we're so fragile.

It's all just us together. We have to stop. We have to stop all this like you have this realization of what we really are and what we're really doing and how stupid tribal conflicts are and Like what world I mean, yeah, world world world war. Yeah. This this we just keep repeating the same cycle.

It's sad, actually. It's it's It's sad cuz eventually it'll probably happen again. A world war. I mean, that's the like if you look at the math, It's kind of happening right now. It's like, "What's going on, man?

Are we going to keep doing this?" I guess that's what we're doing. Yeah, it's very disturbing. When you're playing um a character in a period piece like that, what what do you have to do in terms of like make sure you're behaving like they behaved and talking like they talked? Like Did you have to watch film of those old people and Yeah, you you you talk to a lot of people. In this case, this this movie um you know, was about Jeez, the guys are all you know, most all passed away at this point.

But I luckily got um got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done 20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and hear their stories, see like sometimes the pain in their eyes when they tell these stories and you realize [clears throat] you realize the gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for the world. There's so many heroes in World War II. You know, so many people that did so many things that affect like our way of life. I mean, and affect a lot of the world's way of life.

I mean, all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German because of what happened. And um so you carry like that weight with you. Um it's it it can be if it's a real if it's, you know, you know the person, you can watch tape on them, then you get a you get that like luxury. But if you don't, then you know, it's just I think it's about carrying that weight and just trying to be as true as you can to that. It's it it comes with a cost doing doing these movies because not only you go and and make them, but then you go and promote them.

And you meet these people. I met one of the oldest living veterans the other night at at the Washington Archives in D.C. 107 years old. Whoa. Colonel Stern. And got to hold his hand.

You know, and and really quite clear-still headed like you mean he like shockingly. When he spoke to me, I was like, "Oh my gosh." But you could feel that generation that you could feel that what he had been through. And he had been he was he was actually at the Battle of the Bulge. Whoa. And you're like, "Oh." And then to him have him tell us like we got it right.

And that's what it like, you know, like brought me to tears. I was like kind of like I was shook. But so moments like that, it comes, you know, it's like, "Wow, this is this is a great responsibility to tell this story." I can imagine having a conversation with a 107-year-old guy who's been through war and the war was what? How many years ago? 1942. What is that?

How many years ago is that? Um so he would probably would have been 20. Yeah, so right, he would have been like 84? Yeah. So 84 years ago.

Yep. And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years old and your life is kind of defined by something that happened 84 years ago. Yeah.

[sighs] Yeah, it's it's it's it's wild what they went through. Wild. Wild. And imagine, I mean, if they're like, "Hey, pack up, Joe, Scott. Like, we're we're going to wherever it is, like I don't know.

I wherever we're going right now. And we're going to have to kill people." And imagine the information you're getting. What are you getting? Like, newspaper articles and a radio broadcast? Yeah.

Um what do you the show? him, the guy you met. A battalion commander during World War II, Stern his name was uh Senator Radcliffe. No. Uh what is his name? Herbert Irving Stern.

That's his name. Um So, it says a battalion commander during World War II, Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions. In April 1945, while driving through Germany, Stern and his men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They liberated the camp providing immediate relief to the prisoners and destroyed the facility. Wow.

Isn't that amazing? Like, we have to celebrate these people, you know? Like, it's Can you imagine you're overseas? You're you're you're a kid. It's 1945 and you you liberate a a camp of 3,000 Jewish women that are being imprisoned.

Yeah, it gives me chills just thinking about it. Holy [bleep] man. Yeah, he would have been like, yeah, 35 years old, 34 years old. You imagine we could see what that guy's seen? I mean, I I don't know if we want to.

I mean, that would change your whole world like look on the world, man. I mean But you have to think that way, right? When you're when you're playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in their head. How hard is that? Like, what is that like?

It just it comes with like I said, it comes with a cost. You You go through an emotional journey. You You pay a price. You have to lend your own emotion and own grief, whatever that is in your life, and you have to kind of relive some of that. And it's It's part of, you know, going through what it would have been like to to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's like to lose your best friend right beside you, to lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration camp full of women that have, you know, probably skin and bones, and Like it's just, you know, makes you just so It makes me so grateful for what we have and where we're at.

And it's also it's the human's capacity for evil. When you're faced with it like that, it's it's so disturbing that people are capable of doing things like that, and that they still are. That they're still I mean, to this day, right right now, somewhere in the world, there's human beings committing atrocities and killing people. I know. It's um Yeah, it's brutal.

It's brutal to think how savage we can become. Like It It's And it's crazy cuz like you think about it, it's like we're not far off. You take water away for 72 hours, and we're dead. Yeah. So, how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other if we don't have basic needs?

Oh, yeah. The civilization's a very thin veneer. Yeah. It's very thin. And it's very vulnerable.

And I I think most people are delusional and they're very well fed, very well fed and rested, and they don't have any idea how precarious this thing that we exist in is. I think when you're I I would imagine when you're doing a World War II film or something like that, like you're forced to realize, you're forced to encounter that reality of the human condition. That sometimes I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments of our past. When you think about the history of the world, really you're talking about the history of war. You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions and conquests.

It's like the most of what we talk about when we talk about history. You know, we talk about the various wars and what happened what was the result and who was the king and who did this. What was it over? Greed, resources. This war was is re

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ally I think I think why it's so fascinating, why World War is still so fascinating is because there is no ambiguity between right and wrong in that war, really. Right. What they were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. You know, they were exterminating innocent people. And we came together as a world, you know, a coalition and fought that evil.

And that is very different than a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? You know, you're questioning what what is this just a politically motivated thing? No, this was like this was to save people. And that is that's very different. Yeah, we think of that as our last great war.

That is the the World War II in most people's eyes is the last just war. Yeah. You know, we think it it it's like that's the one that needed to be done cuz it wasn't just evil people, it was evil people on meth. Which is really crazy when you when we I didn't know that until like a decade or two ago. Yeah.

That they were all on meth. And then we had Norman Ohler, he wrote um uh Blitzed? How do I say his last name? Ohler. Ohler, yeah.

Ohler. Uh he wrote this book Blitzed and it's all about the Blitzkrieg when they went through Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Poland in like 3 days. Yeah. And it was all meth. They just gave them meth.

Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war, right? Yeah. They had like 35 million doses of meth? That's nuts, man. That is nuts.

[laughter] And they gave the guys at the front of the lines the most meth? [snorts] The guys in the tanks, like you guys get the most meth. They wanted them just messed up. up. Just driving for 3 days killing everybody they see. And then when they ran into the people in France, they were all drinking wine.

So like they're all chilling and have like uh they got just kept [bleep] up, man. Yep. It's just it's not that long ago. That's what's really scary. It is.

It's super scary. Also what's um what was crazy about um this movie and and uh you know, it's I learn something new every time I do a a war movie. Um I didn't realize there were German Americans living in America. Like live had a life here. And when the war kicked off, there was a lot of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany.

Whoa. Can you imagine that? How many? Like like thousands. Whoa.

They went back and like, you know, and then they were spies and they were they a lot of them spoke English, a lot of had the American culture, you know, they understood and they became like spies. And it was like can you imagine doing that? [bleep] Yeah. Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight for Germany. [sighs] What?

[laughter] Like hey hey hey hey settle down. Hold on. Hold the phone. Don't you know this spot is better? [laughter] You should be fighting for this, you [bleep] dumbass.

Yeah. The people that are willing to do that that's a that's a different kind of brainwashing. Yeah. I mean um you know, makes me think about some of the brainwashing we have nowadays. Like and you kind of think like oh like you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theory stuff and I'm not I'm not a lot, but I do see and we were talking about it today.

It's like how strong is the government to like brainwash, you know, the MK Ultra stuff, like the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy or get someone to do something that you want them to do, kill somebody, whatever. Yeah. That's like really terrifying. Yeah, that's really you're your own thoughts and emotions, but Also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You give them a purpose, you give them a direction.

Yeah. You can I mean, they've done it before. It's not They didn't stop doing it in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump, he was probably a product of that. Yeah.

If I had to guess, by some organization. I'm not saying it's the American intelligence agencies, but someone talked that young kid into getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone, you know, someone gave him direction. Someone. It just His background is too squeaky clean after it's over.

They professionally scrubbed his apartment. His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in his apartment when they went to examine it. All of his hard drives were gone, all of his computers were gone. He had more than one cell phone, which is very odd for a 20-year-old kid, and had no social media profile.

The whole thing was [bleep] Can you explain to me the the the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of it all? Cuz I know there's I've heard a lot of like stuff and a lot of smart people that I like respect like there's something going on with that that we don't know the full Well, there's something going on with the guy being able to climb on top of that roof with a gun, dismantle it, put it back together again, and then dismantle it again and put it back together it again. Like the whole thing makes no sense. They they think they have footage of him in a backpack. So, but a backpack doesn't carry a gun.

And so, the the excuse was, "Oh, he dismantled the gun then reconnected it." Well, that doesn't fly. So, the problem with that is anybody who knows anything about guns knows that you take a scope off a gun, you take the barrel off the gun, you take the stock off the gun, you take you got to put it all back together again, you might not be on anymore. So, you're going to have to sight that gun in, right? And if you sight that gun in, you you going to want to have targets to to practice on. You're not just going to take a 140-yard shot or whatever it was where he shot Charlie Kirk not knowing if your sight is on cuz you I I was hunting once and I fell with my rifle.

And we went back to the range to test it and it was off on a So, when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving at all. All you're doing is pulling the trigger. So, it's just to make sure that the gun is on. It was off by 6 in at 100 yd just by moving from a fall. You know?

And so, you have to check that and then you have to sight the gun back in. You take a You just take the scope off and then you put it back on and screw it back together again, there's no guarantee that that thing's going to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman. He's He's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is it's gro- The whole thing sounds gross.

The text messages between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is where the you know, he's saying how he did it or he's going to do it they seem like AI made them. It seems crazy. And then there's also the fact that there was footage of him in a yogurt shop. Is that verified the footage that was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later? The guy The guy's just chilling at a some [bleep] frozen yogurt store.

That seems weird. What about the stuff with like the the people that were like right around the shooting and stuff and like is there like some weird Well, there's There's lot of people that think that some of that someone some of them were signaling for the shot to happen at a certain time. That's a lot of [bleep] Seems like speculation to me because, you know, people move around all the time. People are in the crowd. If If I was standing there and I went like this and at that moment someone got shot.

Okay. Now we're Now we're making a mountain out of a molehill. Yeah. Or if you look at your watch at a certain point that and that person gets shot. Like a lot of movements going on.

You could attribute that movement to someone signaling. To me, what's weird is the actual wound itself. So, a .30-06 Well, it doesn't It's not a big enough hole. .30-06 is a big rifle round. And to shoot a guy in the neck with a .30-06, you would expect First of all, you'd expect an exit wound. And there's no exit wound.

It just goes in and it looks like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round. I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk of his neck right off. That's a That's a round that you would shoot an elk with. It's a big round.

And then there's a video footage of him from the back and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit. So, it just goes in his neck and stops? The details about him being at a Dairy Queen are very weird. It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but they don't know which one and the one they thought he was at closed down weirdly a couple weeks afterwards.

Okay, but he was There is footage of him at a Dairy Queen. just which one it was and when it was. Okay. Either way, after you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you really go to a [bleep] Dairy Queen like this? It was before, they're saying, too. Oh, maybe that's why they did it.

Right before you go to shoot Charlie Kirk, you want to give him them Blizzards. You know them Blizzards got a lot of caffeine in it. Um I think it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He hasn't taken the stand. Um there's discrepancies between whether or not his family turned him in or whether or not he said he confessed to his family.

You know, I don't know what they're saying now. He hasn't even There is an update as of June 12th and a hearing in and this article it says there hasn't been a plea entered yet. That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea.

How is that happened in September? How is he not yet entered a plea? know. Is that like This is they're going over details about keep you in limbo. The the prosecution going on public talking about the the bullet fragment found and the defense is saying they shouldn't have done that. There's a whole back and forth about that.

Hmm. I don't know. I don't I don't pretend to know, but it just feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure like you said, there's some [bleep] where people are going to go, "Ah, look at the receipt, look." And you're like, "Okay, come on." Tucker Carlson was just talking about it and he thinks that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk and then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous and then how many people are getting paid by Israel to run cover and how many people are just saying that Israel did it without real evidence.

I don't know. Um but he was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying that he was going to get out of the Israel supporting business. Hmm. I don't know what that means. You know, I don't Okay.

Because apparently there was also a long letter that he wrote to Netanyahu is expressing his support for Israel and so is that real? I don't know. It's so hard these days to just un dis Like nothing is 100% real. Yeah. If you If it's a major news story involving anything significant, at least some of it's [bleep] Yeah.

So we're all just sitting here wondering, did this kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe? He was in love with a trans man or a trans woman rather and so he shot Charlie Kirk because of that. Really? Do you think like a younger people though have like a bigger distrust in the media I feel like now.

I feel like that's it's like changing so it's maybe for the best. Yeah, for sure. But I mean this isn't even the media. This is the government. You know, this is the official position.

Like they paved over the the crime scene like within days afterwards. That's weird. Yeah, but there's a lot of weird [bleep] man. The Thomas Crooks thing they they cremated him within days after he was killed. You know, where's the toxicology examination?

Where's the Where's the results? I want to know what kind of psych medication this [bleep] kid was on. Like what was he doing? Like what was happening? Why did he shoot at the president?

Why did he kill people in the crowd? Like what the [bleep] is going on? And you know, we don't ever get told. You know, this Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man. It's weird.

Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions. Getting on that [bleep] roof with a gun, going through the stairwell with the gun. He doesn't have the gun. So did he get the gun up there already?

So they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not. Doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the the stock maybe the barrel's in his legs. He taped it to his pants.

[bleep] off. [bleep] off. You can't put a gun back together again and make it that accurate. So I don't believe that. And then he took it apart and then jumped off the roof with it and then put it back together again in the woods.

Is that what they're saying? I don't know if that's exactly what they're That's some version of it, but any version of it where this guy under a high stress high adrenaline situation taking apart a gun and putting it back together again. [bleep] off. [bleep] off. Like I don't believe that.

Yeah, especially someone untrained, like not a And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped. Like okay. The thing with which one is this? This is the the first shooting, [clears throat] the professionally scrubbed apartment. That's a weird detail that doesn't seem to have accuracy.

It says right here July 24th, 2024 House Homeland Security Committee hearing Rep. Eli Crane said he had received information that Crooks house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation into record and from there professionally scrubbed and no silverware talking points spread through blogs, forums, X posts, and podcasts. What officials have said. When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean or missing silverware, Paris replied that he had not been given any such details in his briefings.

But see this is what I like though. It says he lived with his parents. This is what I like though. You're you're fact checking yourself and I think this is super important because people start no matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative and it's like no, no, hold on. I could be wrong and let's fact check.

Maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not wrong. So he was living with his his primary residence, it says was his parents single family home. Did he have his own apartment? He had a separate apartment. He didn't.

It said he didn't? But it says primary residence. Well, I mean that's that's what you call it. But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?

I did he have his own apartment or whatever. What about the apartment of record? Oh, I see. I see. So i

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t gave you that response. Right. Uh the house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt. And investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh boy.

So in case it didn't work out with the gun, he had a bomb. Did he think he was going to make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought. Thought he'd shoot the president and just jump away. No one's going to notice.

Like they've got snipers all over the place. They took that guy out the moment he shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing it and convinced him that they had a way to get him out of there. Yeah, see that's the scary thing, right? The mind control like like you said.

You know. Especially if they're giving him drugs. That's my point about the toxicology examination. So, a a lot of people were very concerned they cremated him right away because if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and you found out that there were some drugs in there that they give people to influence them like maybe they maybe had LSD in his system. Maybe he had something else in his some other psychiatric medications in his system that you would say, "Well, why was he given this?" You know, is is this something that we've done when we're working on mind control experiments?

Have we given people these things? Yeah. Are we still doing that? There's also metadata that connected a phone from uh DC to his house from like Virginia outside the FBI area where where the FBI offices are back and forth to this guy's house multiple times. Wow.

Metadata from a phone. They can't say whose phone. Who knows? Probably nothing. Or Don't they know?

I mean also in a BlackRock commercial. If you want to find out whose phone that is they got like people can find out whose phone that is. Right. Yeah, it's all weird. Yeah.

It's not I mean Look, there's probably a lot of people before the election that wanted Trump dead. Fill in the blank. Who you think it might be? But most likely somebody got a kid to try to do it. Yeah, that's And he didn't pull it off.

But he came close. Scary, man. And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged, which is so crazy. Oh, that I've heard that. I was hearing that near him nick his ear with a bullet.

Do you know how dumb that sounds? [laughter] Do you have no idea about shooting things at distance? There's no way you can performative so we can I'm like, "What?" a [bleep] chance in hell that you can nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and be that accurate. You can easily blow half their [bleep] head off, you know? And and like what?

So, like they're going to take that risk to put on that performative and what happens if they're not killed the people behind them. Yeah, or cuz someone got shot, right? One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy got shot really badly.

And two other people I think are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence because of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured cuz they got shot. Wow. Yeah.

And the whole the [bleep] the whole thing where the lady who was the head of the Secret Service was saying that they couldn't put anybody on that roof cuz the slope was too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense because this the slope of the building where the snipers were on was steeper. Made no sense. So, it's almost like it was set up so that that kid could get up on that roof and take a shot.

I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying. Always. You know what I mean? They're pulling strings.

And if you're not playing by their rules, if you're not kissing the ring I mean, Hollywood is the same way. You know what I mean? Hollywood is like there's a lot of that [bleep] There's a lot of that [bleep] of that like kiss the ring and things where you're like, "Nah, I ain't going to do that." You know? I ain't You know? It's like, "Nah." Yeah.

You let you know? It's like it like you said, "How bad do you want TO BE BATMAN?" [laughter] "HOW BAD DO YOU WANT TO BE BATMAN?" UH if it costs me my soul, maybe I'm maybe I'm good. Yeah. Well, good for you, dude. Good for you.

You've you've you've achieved a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and I think that's very important. You know? And like I always tell people like, he's like the normalest guy. He's like the normalest guy that's a movie star. Like that I know like every time I'm like I've introduced you to people, they're like, "Who's he?" Or you know, "That's Scott Eastwood." I'm like, "What?" "That's Clint Eastwood's son?" It's like like he should he's so normal.

There's a lot of other normal people, though. There's some great ones. Oh, yeah. You know? Like there's some great ones, but they're few and far between.

Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are [bleep] super normal. Yeah. They're like regular guys when you talk to them. They're they manage to keep their as hard as it is Yeah. keep whoever it is that's them, they they're still that. Yeah.

So, kudos to them. Kudos to you. And thanks for these vitamins. Yeah, I'm going to take them. I'll tell you what's up.

Tell me what's up. They suck. I'm going to tell you that too. I'm sure [laughter] they're great. I'm just kidding.

North Performance. That's what it's called. And your movie one more time. Lucky Strike out tomorrow. Out tomorrow.

Beautiful. All right. Perfect timing. 250 years. Celebrate the our veterans. Yes.

Um good luck with that. Thank you. Congratulations on everything. All right. Bye everybody.

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