Joe Rogan Experience #2514 — Cameron Hanes

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Well, we weren't in a boat. We we drove out. We were with with guides and we drove out in trucks and they know like where the lake areas are where the you know, it's very dense out there. It's very thick. It's just hot and muggy and and these [__] just boop. You see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up. You see some motion.

But you [__] see them everywhere. And then you look around at how big the Everglades is and you go, "How many of them are out here?" Because it's not like we found the honey spot, right? You know what I mean? It's like the whole Everglades and there when I was a kid, you know, I lived down there in Florida when I was uh 11 years old from 11 to 13. I lived in Gainesville and there's alligators back then, but they were endangered and so you you weren't allowed to kill them and so they would kill people's dogs and [__] I remember this lady in my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away. Jeez. This is like the late '7s.

And um we were feeding them marshmallows. So you go to the dock and you throw marshmallows and alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. And it was, you know, it was weird. It was like kind of cool that they're there. Freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous, Cut to all these years later now because no one hunted them cuz they basically were making shoes out of them back in the day. They almost hunted them to extinction and uh they should probably start that again. They probably we need to bring alligator shoes like back in like the 70s like that was the cool shoes like in the pool halls where I used to play pool like the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up. He had his gators on.

He looked good. He had a nice suit. He had his gators on. His gators like I got gator boots. Alligator shoes. Luc Casey. Yeah. Yeah.

Gator boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of almost makes sense cuz like al like you get boots that are made out of like snake skin and ostrich and like that's kind of a cowboy boot thing but alligator dress shoes is very you got your gators on like very hard to get polish it nice black. Oh yeah, remember? I love that, bro. I got to apologize to Ric Flair. He got uh scammed. So, some some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and they were going to h that he was going to come on the podcast. I think uh Tim Dylan, this happened with him, too. Um it didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information.

Yeah, they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like 3,000 bucks because I've got those, too. And what it really is is they're just going to empty your bank account and uh it's just a scam. So, if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Ric Flair. So, Ric Flair, I don't know if they he lost his money, but Tim Dylan, they tried to get him on uh Amy Polar show. So, it's that's the scam. The scam was they reached out to he talked about it on his podcast.

They reached the this scammer reached out said, "I'm representing the Amy Polar Show. we would love to have you on. And he was like, that doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Polar. I don't think I'm a good guest. He was like, he was like, I don't think this is real. And then it says, you know, we need your bank account information. And so many people just like don't think about it or they're boomers or well it they make it seem legit cuz I know um Pat McAfee I got an email from them about coming on the show and I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before and so I'm like maybe I mean for me it's like a big deal like ESPN and Pat McAfee he's like to me he reminds me of you. He just kind of does what says whatever he wants does if the bosses say whatever he's like [__] off.

I I just love that unfiltered like true thoughts and he's a guy that's got [__] you money that says [__] you. That's what I love. It's just it's beautiful. So I mean I celebrate that's that's a you know first amendment in his glory right there. And he seems like a genuine good dude. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know him but it's like I don't know him either, but when you hear a guy talk enough Yeah.

Yeah. You can assume or you can like put the pieces puzzle together but and they've wore my stuff on there. So, I'm like, "Oh, maybe this is real, right?" And so, the guy I asked at uh he's just a AO uh he's just a great guy, but he uh he said, "No, it's not not legit." But they had me cuz it was like it almost seemed real. Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app.

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Yeah, somebody asked me like, hey, you know, they said, well, they said, uh, can you do anything about it? Unfortunately, I can't. Like there's nothing you could do other than tell people it's a scam. I don't want to tell you how I get guests. I don't want to like give up the process. But uh I have a guy and I have this guy reach out to people and you know I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it. But if you get an email my guy here Yeah. If you get an email asking for your bank account information, it's not me.

No. And it's probably not Anna Ferris or Amy Polar or Tim Dylan or any of those other people. It's all No, just scumbags out there, unfortunately. If you say you have some elk meat you'll share. That might be real. Nope. Oh, I'll share with friends and family. That's it, dude.

I giving it out to weirdos. But, uh, you're bringing some bear meat. I know. And dude, you're I said you're in trouble. We got You got a lot of notes. We got notes. I got I got [__] we're going to discuss today. They're like I had a scientist on yesterday.

He had less notes. Less. I know. I'm I'm ready. Well, we had some fun. First of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth? I love it.

Yeah, it's uh Well, it was it's kind of a joke, but I've been obsessed with like perfect teeth, right? And that's like Adam Green shoes always busting your balls. And you know, I did like the the white strips and all this other [__] And like I always cared about what just probably cared too much. So now I don't care what I look like. But um what what changed? Uh I don't know. I I've just like been playing the game too long. Now it's just like I'm just done.

And and the game's not over unfortunately. Even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore. Game still goes on. So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this. Okay. Long story short, um I had I broke this in high school. So I had a fake two since high school.

And uh yeah, this is like long story. Kissing this girl, basketball, hit him in the back of the head, broke the tooth. Anyway, he broke the teeth on her teeth. Yeah. So, she had pieces of teeth in her lip. Um Oh, that's crazy. Oh, yeah. It was Yeah, it was uh Jack Dero did that.

But anyway, um we uh so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it, finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been to the dentist in forever because I just what hate going. And they said, "Oh, you got a a a cavity under that." what composite is what it was called. And I'm like, okay, cool. So, we got to take it off, fix a cavity, then you get whole another one. And I'm like, whatever. Um, so I go back in there and next next appointment they take it off, no cavity.

But now we just have this like whittleled down regular tooth just like a like a post of a tooth. So, because they removed the cavity because they there was no cavity. There was no cavity. Jesus Christ. They thought on the X-ray there was. So they had the the anyway the cap or the composite's gone. So they said, "Well, you need to go and match the color of your teeth for your new fa fake tooth and spring in in Springfield. Swing by this Springfield um whatever they do there for for dentistry." So I go in there and they said uh the girl there goes, "Hey, my husband Nate makes some really cool gold teeth.

He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one?" And uh I was like, "Wait." And so she's like, "We'll do a white one, too, but a gold one might just be fun." And then I'm like, "Yeah, it'd be fun." So I told Trace, "I'm just gonna do it just a day or two." So this has been months now. You going to keep it? I don't know. I kind of like it. I kind of like it, too. I kind of like it. It's like everybody [__] it.

You know, everybody's got regular teeth. Nobody's got gold teeth or something. Not anymore. It was a thing back in the day. Remember Mike Tyson had a gold tooth for a while. Well, this is like my savings account cuz I figure that I'm going to lose everything cuz I'm such a [__] But I'll still have this. I can still pull that sucker out. You can buy a cheeseburger.

Yeah. If I get in a bind, right? It's like, hey, well, I got this. I have one crown. I have one fake tooth back here. I cracked one of my mers. I had a root canal and then um it like so then they had to put like a crown on it and then it cracked. And so now I got to get another one cuz I got a little piece of it missing.

I think I'm going to get a gold one. Nice. Get a gold one right here. Do it. Do it. I'm gonna Now you inspired me. It's Also, it's in the back so you won't see it all the time till I until I give you a big cheese. Yeah.

Well, I'm going to get it. I'm copying you. Good. When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile. So So that'll be when people see it. That'll be fun. Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know.

I live a happy life. Yeah, you do. You're You're crushing it lately. Oh, just keep keep your foot on the gas. Same old stuff, right? I can't believe I look at your guests and it's just like nonstop, dude. It's like it's people see like all your success. You'd think most people would be like, "Okay, I'm good.

I'll you foot off the gas." You don't. you keep I mean, you you work your ass off. Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate and also um very responsible like I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it. They love it.

They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this [__] They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives. And it's a huge obligation, you know. And I feel like connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time.

I don't know what to say, but I feel it. I know it and I'm dedicated. So, I just keep my foot on the gas. I never I never say, "Oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up." I just Yeah. I always try to reset every day and go, "God, I'm so lucky." It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most out of it because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world Well, I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone like back and forth.

I've had it for like six years now. Yeah. Six or seven. Might be seven years now. And it's like I'm not I'm not keeping my foot off the gas. I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to keep doing it until the [__] wheels fall off.

That's like people have said like with bow hunting and stuff like if you you know you work your ass off to to get this place where you're respected, right? And then there's going to be people that want your position. And like with your attitude, my attitude too is like [__] come get it. Yeah. Come get it. Come try to take it cuz I'm working my ass off still. We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was uh we were all just [__] around.

I I really even forget who it was cuz it didn't matter. And he said, "Uh, yeah, and after that I'm going to challenge you to a race." And you go, "Good luck with that. It was so cold." You go, "Yeah." Like, you didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a fiveyear-old saying they're going to kick my ass. Like, okay, good luck with that. Yeah. I mean, you get you get confident when it's something you do like Yeah. further down the line than anybody.

Yeah. And so if you're going to take my spot, I mean, this been a grind, dude. 40 years. Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it in terms of I'm going to take that guy's spot. And maybe that's your motivation. And uh that's cool and all that, but there's a negative attached to that motivation.

If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. like you're that energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits and just and excelling at whatever dis whether it's [__] playing guitar or doing standup comedy. You should look at those people like, "Wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better or what where where can I get to a point? How can I get to a point where I'm like them?" Mhm. But most people don't do that. Most people like, "Fuck that guy. That guy [__] sucks.

This sucks. And [__] it, he's a [__] and he's a this and he's using steroids and he's [__] lying about how many miles he runs." And it's there's always going to be people like that. And I'm telling my message to the haters. I I was a hater when I was a kid. I was 100% a hater. 100%. Like all the other people like when I was fighting, everybody else was a [__] They were all [__] unless they were weren't in my weight division. If they weren't in my weight division, then I could celebrate him.

But everybody in my weight division was a [__] That guy's I'm going to [__] that guy up. He's got nothing. I I could never celebrate people. Even like national champions, people with the I couldn't celebrate them, It's a waste. It's a waste of energy. and you get more energy out of looking at what they do well and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. You know, [__] that guy, [__] this and [__] that.

It's a waste of energy. You have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid egodriven direction just because you're too weak to recognize like, "Oh, this guy can kick my ass. Oh, this guy uh could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run.

Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than me. What the [__] can I do to get where he's at?" Yeah, you got to just that's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress. It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future. It's bad all around. There's no good to it at all. No, I I I agree with that. And it's like that that energy is a resource that we have to protect. I think that when you talk about like you talk about all the outliers that you you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you and I think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens that makes people want to come on like you said you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say.

People want to hear what they have to say to you because you have a way of drawing out uh more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure. I think like even if you didn't believe what you said, it would still if if you just said like I want to be positive, but your questions were all negative like in tone or like confrontational in tone. People wouldn't want to be on here like they want to be on here now. You being positive and looking at things like how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all learn and and u um get better from this? That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you. People are attracted to the guests you have.

People are attracted to the show. And so, yeah, that energy we even though even if we don't admit it, we're attracted to it. You know what I mean? You seek it out. And um I know when I'm I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. Mhm. I don't want to hear about how [__] up everything is all the time, I want hope. How can I have hope?

Because hope gives me purpose and I'm like, "Okay, I can do this. I can I got get to work and this will this will pay off." So, I I think it's like it's more complicated than we than we think, but there's a reason why you're number one and have been number one, and it's your attitude and it's it's how you speak to people. It's that little that it's also I got in really early, right? So I got in at like and there was hardly anybody doing it back then. Yeah. So you could you could also I wasn't as famous back then. So you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it so you could get good at it. So you could hone your craft, right?

You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have to You just did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. Oh, I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? There's so many there's I mean how many podcasts are there now? A lot. Yeah.

Like what's the number? 10 mill 5 million. Check those like seven or eight million. It probably keeps growing every week because everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk. Well, and and the people starting now, they might be you down the road. Oh yeah, for sure. There might be some, you know, Well, they'll be incredible conversationalist that they'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me, but they'll be amazing at But you had because you had this insight or you know, you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, oh, maybe I could do that.

You started this process of this decades of honing your craft to where it is now and now you've been on top for six, seven years, right? And it's just because of all those reps that you did. It's It's no different than anything we always talk about. It's everything. It's reps. Yeah. Everything is reps. It's just like you want to get good at something, keep fail, keep doing it.

Archery is reps. Pool is reps. Martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience. And it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do, whatever it is. Yeah. I think like I even think of, you know, I love Sean Ryan and he's has an incredible podcast, but I I I get I get why this is happening.

He's pretty down kind of on a lot right now just with government with Israel with Epstein with all the which is by design almost they want us to be hopeless and I I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but they do want us hopeless so because we can be controlled but Sean his podcast lately has taken more I don't want to say dark because it's more real but it's like it's darker so I just think that attracts less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you. Well, I think these it's like first of all, people that aren't comedians, they're very they're limited in in what they can talk about and the way they can talk about things. You know, being a comedian is there's a little bit of a safety net. You could always like, "Yeah, what the [__] I'm a comedian. We're [__] around." You get a little get got get a little you can write it off a little bit. It's also there's that's real in terms of like uh another layer of conversation. Like there's a layer of conversation that is commonly known as talking [__] And talking [__] is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny and you make each other laugh.

You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. You know what? Why is your mouth so sore? You know, like you you [__] around. You say things.

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you you're silly. You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth, you know, you don't you're not really doing meth, right? There's you're you're not really having gay sex. You're [__] around. And when you can't [__] around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. And there's a whole like like get out of jail pass. Like, let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here.

You can't loosen up. You're serious, right? And then where does the conversation go? back to the serious part which changes it. It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. And that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world. You certainly shouldn't. But if you only focus on the bad of the world, it's kind of a trap because it'll [__] your head up too.

You're just swimming in negativity all the time. That's what I see Shawn that's a feeling I've got with Shawn lately. Whereas with the differences with you, there's a reset. There's always this reset back to good. The message is good. Yeah. I think and I don't think you I don't I don't think you that's not by design. That's just who you are.

Yeah. No, it's not by design. It's just uh that's how I think it's like you can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not negative. In fact, yeah, it's there's things that you need to be aware of and you need to be prepare for them. And the problem is is no, it's not. But our voices are oftentimes negative. So it's easy I if like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative.

It's a lot of negative dude. Yeah. So it's like knowing that you know I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy. I try to avoid waiting in that. Well sometimes it's like you just get fed up. You're like where the [__] are these Epstein files? Who the [__] is this? Why is this redacted?

Where is who the [__] killed JFK? Like, come out with it. What the [__] Who [__] killed Charlie Kirk for real? Like, what is that? Why is that [__] story so clouded in mystery? And why did they pave over the [__] ground right after the the shooting? What the [__] is going on there? See, now you're making me in a bad mood.

That's But that it's easy to do. It's easy to do. It's easy to get locked up in there. Do you see Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. What does it say? Stay positive. Be nice.

And what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting. Be positive. Oh, be nice. Be positive. Well, your handwriting is terrible. It is. You should be a doctor.

But no, I have to remind myself like cuz I if you start mentioning those things that you just did Oh, it's hard, dude. I will [__] lose my [__] because I'm so pissed. I know. It should be. And we we all we're all pissed. We were all, you know, we all thought that, you know, all that stuff was going to be released right after the election. It's going to we're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles. Well, the the first term was more like that.

That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term there was some draining the swamp going on. I felt then we had the Biden disaster and now the second term has been I don't even know what this is. I don't even know what it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different for first of all if we didn't bomb Iran. I feel like we bombed him the first time, we were good. The second time was like even the first time I was like what the [__] are we doing? Yeah.

And then when they were saying like, "This is it. The the the escalation's over. We're going to work this out." Like, "Oh, yeah." And the second time when we bombed him, I was like, "Oh, [__] great." Mhm. Now, and the most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want it. Now, look, I'm no [__] foreign policy expert. I don't know what's going on over there, but I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're [__] super happy about it.

Mhm. And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first and or people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're going to change things and this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for [__] money. Those people are all upset. I don't know really what's going on though. That's the problem. And uh I I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the the Iran Iranian military structure because it seems like that's super [__] complicated. like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever.

And so they have like all these layers of control. Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with the new guy, Israel kills them. Like it's like the [__] is going on? And then what happened yesterday? They captured like 20 oil tankers. Oh, did they? I didn't even see that.

Yeah, there was some I don't know. It might be [__] I just read it very quickly on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I traveled to X. Yeah, it's uh I mean, boy, I've been so healthy lately. Last few months just staying off of [__] Instagram. Staying off of Twitter, just not reading anything. Yeah, they're not anything. But Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. I don't know how I follow one schizophrenic.

My name is Dolores. I am the the the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine. They're trying to stuff [__] inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. Like crazy people. Not just one, but like a whole [__] series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago.

And uh again, I might spend like 10, 15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I got to get off of this. There's no reason. It's interesting. It's crazy. That's what gets you hooked. I got this one lady. She she uh was is a she was a hooker and she's a crackhead and she thinks everyone's a man.

Like so she she'll show photos of all these different people. That's a [__] man. She's just she's just [__] out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States and he wears like this dirty old suit and you can look at his eyes like he's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do and he's on Instagram. I start watching like sometimes street fights. Oh, I watch a lot of those.

There's a lot of those out there. Or the joke the pranks or the jokes or pets. It's like pets are cool. And then it's just like but they it's just a trap. It just keeps you there and then an hour's gone and you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, I've just so much healthier when I take like full days like days off. I feel so much better.

And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii? We we went to Hawaii a few years back and we went bow hunting and for Axis deer on Lai and uh I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this, but my phone just started calling people. I'd be like, "Look at this. This is crazy." I'd hang up and start calling a new person. Hang up. So, I had to get a new phone. It took like three days.

And those are like three of the happiest days of my life. And and I'm like, "Oh, I should just get rid of my phone." I was thinking that, but I was like, "Oh, I can't wait for till my phone gets here." Well, there's stuff where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And capturing those memories. That's Yeah.

It's And if you have a question. Yeah. I love it for because I've always have a question about something. I love that Siri now you could just press Siri and ask it a question like how many minutes are in a month and it'll just tell you like right like you'd be driving on the car, you have a question, just press a button and it gives you the answer. It's [__] nuts. How many times did you have a question you're just like I'll probably never figure that out. Exactly. But now no question goes unanswered.

It's literally instantaneous, you know, and uh you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask it questions cuz I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened. And just now, you know, like instantaneously. But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's that's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't like it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat, but most of the soup is [__] All right, I would recommend not eating that soup. And that's what social media is like. It's like I get some meat out of it here and there. I get some interesting stories about science and some new discovery from the James Webb telescope.

Like, whoa, this is [__] cool. And it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things. And then I'll just deal with some [__] cooks and and crazy people and [__] and grifters and people that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like oh [__] Christ. It's exhausting. It's too much. It's exhausting. Yeah. It's just it's just eating soup with [__] in it.

Yeah. It's just like it's not worth it. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that, son. So, and so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible meat, and that is that is incorrect. I've got a grizzly cooler here full of all sorts of people can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. Okay. Um, give me some.

So, also this No one can hear that either. You got to get to the microphone. Also, this Put that thing down and have a seat. Oh, there we go. So, do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard of the name. So he killed a world record elk. That's right.

That giant. That thing is crazy. So he does this is like super hot stuff. here's what it's called. Everything you need to know about Chilan whatever. See everything you know need to know about. Well, it's all worn out. I know.

It's maybe on the other page. But mighty Chilean chili. Okay. So it's a type of chili. Yeah. You put that on like when you're cooking steaks. Where's that knife, Jamie? You got here's one.

Thank you. Look at that. Oh, sweet. Oh, look at that [__] elk, man. Oh my god. Nuts. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that?

It was like 386 or something. No, 486. Or no, 486. Yeah. Like almost getting close to 500. Wow. This smells strong. Does it?

So, these are the chilies. Oh, so this is uh Yeah. He said you don't need much. It says what did it say? 480. It says sprinkle this [__] on everything. Okay. Yeah.

This is cool. Yeah. So I I brought And also like Do you know his son? His son is a really good elk caller. I mean I don't know. I know. Oh, he makes calls. Yeah.

We don't usually mess around with that. Um I learned how to you do these just last year. His son is Bo Brooks. I learned how to make a female el cuz I had a little one that I blow on. So I never learned how to use a read. Yeah. the mouth read. I definitely don't know how to make a elk set with a tube.

I'm [__] terrible. Well, let me see that knife real quick. My Yeah, this is the old packout skinner from Montana knife. But here's the good stuff right here. So, we got some of this. Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought it from the same um No, this is from this whites up in Portland. And this is Ronnie.

Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game. Yeah, I think it's more like Gresian processor, but it's so good. Oh, that is good. That's fantastic. Yeah, that Thank you, Ronnie. And then this is uh no tchinosis, right? Tchinosis free.

Then this is I mean, have you ever tested yourself for trinosis? See if you have it. You might already have it. There's some bear jerky, too. You might have it and ignored it. So, the the jerky is so good. And then also like this says Whites on it right here. Whites country meats.

So we got sausage. Oh, you made breakfast sausage. Yeah. It's so good. Um and then we got some rendered bare fat right here. Brought you that. So you can cook with Oh, it's dark. Why is it so dark?

I don't know. Um that's crazy. Clay Nukem gave me some. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked uh steaks with it.

Okay. It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like even beef tallow. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor. For sure. Definitely. So, he he did a It's like And also like the the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different. So, it's it just reacts differently like for make the pepperoni and and rendering the fat.

It just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there. This is one of the big bear I just killed. And uh yeah, so it's just perfect timing for I guess rendering fat and making sausage. I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bear camp. Where she smoked that bear for like 24 hours. So good. God, it looked insane. It looked like so good.

They're like she's like a gourmet chef now with bear. Yeah. And then they had the meat church guy up there this last week. Yeah. And um so they were like, you know, bear meat when you put a whole back ham on the Trager. So she she let it soak marinate for four days, right? And I saw people saying, "Oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good." Whatever. I'm just telling you what what it was.

Four days, then 20 hours of a slow cook on the Trager. Best meat you've ever had. Just like incredible. That's bear. And you know, there's like people talk about the settlers back in the day, they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides to make clothing because bear was superior meat. So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bare meat isn't good and it's amazing. Well, it's because of Yogi. Yogi [__] us probably.

Yeah. Yogi and the the one that tells you not to start fires. Who's that guy? Smokey. Smokey. Smokey the bear. Yogi. they [__] us.

Yeah, they did. Then Disney. Disney [__] us. You know, if it wasn't for those um anthropomorphizations of animals where they turned them into sweet, you know, beautiful creatures that talk to you. We would have a completely different idea of animals and be a much more realistic idea of animals for sure. Which I think most hunters have. You love them, you respect them, but they all have to be managed. I sent Whitney Cummings a video that they got in um Santa Monica the other day uh of a mountain line in someone's backyard.

big [__] just laying in the grass in this dude's backyard in Santa Monica, man. That's Yeah, there I mean I don't know if you know anymore, but um I can't eat too much. People get annoyed. Oh yeah, it's true. It's good though. It's a That's a jalapeno cheddar. How's it taste? Can you taste it?

The one the first one I had was jalapeno cheddar. Yeah. It's [__] great. It's really good. So good. Yeah. Yeah. And I know what people saying.

Oh, you can make anything. Look at that. That's the cat in the backyard. Oh, man. [__] nuts, man. Look at his eyes. Yeah, [__] you, man. [__] you.

Meanwhile, they built a stupid bridge for them and it's uh way over budget. It's over hund00 million now for the stupid [__] bridge so they can cross. We have to make sure that the monsters can get across the highway safety. I am of a completely different opinion. I say, put one of those [__] big ass grills on your car like I have on my Land Cruiser and let's hope we get a few of them so I don't kill people's dogs. Look, it's right there in the middle. Yeah, it's 14. This just knocked it unfort.

That is bananas. Look where it is. Like look how dense. Look how dense the housing is there. There's a mountain line right there. And they think a mountain lion's going to go find this bridge. Well, they they probably will eventually find the bridge. But there's a bunch of retards that'll still make their way across the highway and they're supposed to get hit.

That's That's nature. It's figure it out. Figure it out or die. Yeah. Figure it out or die. There's too many of them. They they're so unrealistic about their mountain line numbers. there's way too many of them.

They're all over California because they don't manage them. That's what we talked Yeah, we talked about that last time. And it's like I just wonder what is, you know, what's the goal? Because now, you know, I wore the shirt today because now Public Land is again back in the crosshairs. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah. What is going on? This Mike Lee guy.

Yeah, that same guy. Same [__] guy from he he's trying to like Utah guy, right? The Utah guy. Um, so right now it's like there's this this bill that was going to be introduced. It was like talking about wildfires essentially. Um, but it's like uh it's what he's done is he's tied in this public land piece to it. Well, like they always do. There's always these other provisions tied in with all these bills.

Right. Right. And uh you don't really know what you're agreeing to or what you're not. Um, but he he put in this uh roadless area section because there's 400 or 45 million acres of roadless area that he wants access to. Basically, they're not saying this. They're saying for some other reason, I think. Oh, here's what they said. We have so many acres of of roadless area that to fight wildfires, we need roads.

Okay. They don't care about fighting wildfires. It's resource extraction or development, right? Maybe development, but development's a tough cell in a lot of those wilderness areas. But what's not a tough That's what they tried with this. Remember remember the affordable housing like oh just the areas they tried to say that's what it was that was supposedly affordable housing which like years ago I went back and talked to Jason Chafus. He was uh he was a representative there in Utah. And I went back there and spoke to him and be at that time it was about uh surplus acreage.

So there's three million surplus acres nobody's using. Someone told me that has something to do with the Mormon religion. That the Mormon religion has a philosophy about selling land that's very different than our philosophy. It might public land. I'm not and I think somebody told me that. See if there's any reality to that that the Mormons almost have like a mandate to try to sell land. I don't know if that makes any sense. This is not my thought.

Someone told me this and I was like, "Wait, what?" And I don't think I ever looked it up, right? That I do that, too. Like I'm like, "I'm I need to look that up and never do." And then I never know anything more. But yeah, so I went back, talked to Jason. At that time it was uh surplus acreage. Then this time it was affordable housing. Now, this time it's wild wildfire fighting, which if you get into the weeds on fighting wildfires, it's there's the National Forest Service already has 10 billion dollar of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now. So, they're saying you're going to add more roads to the 10 billion worth of work that the roads already need maintenance on.

Don't think so. Um what what they're going to do is and then also if you make roads the the stats say 85 to 90% of fires are started within a half mile of road of a road. So it's not the wilderness areas that are in danger that we need to figure out how to fight fires back there. There's hardly any fires back there. It's always about the roads we've created that we can't maintain. That's where the the fires are starting. Right. Right.

Because it's usually people. It's it's it's human cause. 90% of the time it's that's only like a small percentage of fires that can't be fought. Here it is. Some Utah politicians who are members of the LDS Mormon church have pushed proposals to sell or transfer federal public lands, but this is a political movement, not an official LDS church program, and other Mormon groups openly oppose it. So, Utah's see more disinformation. Somebody tried to feed me and I kind of helped spread it, right? Utah's heavily dominated by federal land.

42% of the state is managed by the Bureau of Land Management alone. Even more under other federal agencies because so much federal so much of Utah's federal fights over whether to retain, transfer, or sell some of that land is especially intense there. Yeah, this next part is about Mike Lee, which conservative Utah Republicans such as Senator Mike Lee have proposed budget or legislative plans that would make millions of acres of western public land eligible for sale, arguing it would boost housing or local economies. The housing thing is like, hey man, [__] you. No, you're not putting houses in the mountains. I don't believe you. I think most likely what you're doing is there's natural gas out there or minerals out there or something. It's uh I mean they don't care about first of all they'd have to build infrastructure out there in the mountains which you know water power that's not going to happen.

What is this Wyoming thing? Says that Wyoming case would have been the first time a registered national historic site was sold into private ownership which is why it drew attention. What what are they referring to though? uh a national historic site among Oregon Trail could end up in the hands of private owners at the request of members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints. Oh, so the church tried to purchase public land. So down down to that next one, it says LDS teachings require strong stewardship and explicitly advocate preserving and protecting public land. So okay, that goes against politicians like what he's doing and I think he's like beholden to Trump. Trump's like his errand boy for this public land thing because Trump doesn't give a [__] about But his son does.

This is what doesn't make any sense. Like his Donald Trump Jr. Does he listen to anybody? I don't think so. Listen to me about psychedelics. Well, that Okay, we'll talk to him about Is that again with sneaky roadless rule amendment? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, maybe if I see him this weekend. Well, I will see him this weekend, but maybe I'll talk to him about that. But I don't think there was a there was a sentence in there that I just saw. It says 99% right here. N right in the middle. 99% of Americans oppose repealing the rules of this rule. Okay. So why they work for us?

Isn't it isn't that right? So the reason why I got to this is because you talked about the mountain lions. It's like why don't they listen to people like the public? The public would say, "Yeah, we probably need to hunt mountain lions, keep them manager." I don't think the public of California would. I think I'm opposed to that. I'm opposed to ballot box biologists. Me too. So they got wolves into Colorado.

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But I'm just wondering like with this this roadless rule. They didn't ask the public anything, And 99% of the public oppose it. Yeah. That's way I think I would say way more people oppose that than oppose any kind of a hunting thing. Yeah. I I'm good with Okay. So on your point then I want biologists making the decision on hunting. 100%.

I don't want politicians making the decision on land use. So that's that's all I'm that's all I'm saying. It's like let's have experts in the field decide these things. It's like who is the expert in the field who decided the White House needs a ballroom? Uh me. I called in. No, but it's like how are these decisions being made? Like this roadless rule.

This was like a lastm minute add-on that the public did not get a chance to vote on. How is that how is that okay? No, it's not okay. It's it's super [__] sneaky. And I think all of our position should be like your t-shirt, the Teddy Roosevelt position, not one acre. Like we have a amazing system here. We do. The public land system in the United States is completely unique to the rest of the world.

It's very different. and the fact that you can go out there and that is your land. If you are a citizen of the United States of America, public land is your land and you have access to incredible wilderness and beautiful places. And if you've got the endurance and the ability to go deep in there, you could go to places where there's no [__] people and it's unbelievably pristine wilderness and it's owned by the entire country. And we got to keep it that way. We can't we can't let that slippery slope get get into play. As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll they'll [__] keep going. Not one acre.

What once once you lose something, you don't get it back ever. And this especially with this public land like at this time when when we all came together, it was outdoorsmen in all regards. It was hunting, hiking, fishing, uh, who whoever uh recreators. Yeah. like what it's like people who just love and appreciate public lands. We all came together, shot it down and the public sentiment was was vicious, right? And they couldn't ignore it. We need the same thing now because at this time I know we did so much.

Everybody came together. But when they do these they wear us down with these these last minute deals and add on these things because it's like how many things can you keep fighting and fighting and fighting and you're like I thought we already got this. Didn't we solve this already and now it's back? Well, I think that's one of the reasons why they keep so many [__] balls in the air at the same time is because you can't fight it all. You know, it's like, do you really care about the Epstein files or do you care about UFO disclosure? Yeah, I know. The UF UAPs, we're going to have a big meeting on Monday. We're going to have a big release on Wednesday.

So, I think they took to me it seems pretty nefarious that they're like say, "Oh, we got all these [__] [__] worried about this roadless rule. Okay, we can distract some of them with the aliens. Got an alien stuff. All right. Okay. Oh, we could uh we could distract some of them with fighting. We got the White House fight coming up. Okay, that's And now all of a sudden now it's way quieter because they've distracted some of these core core groups with this other [__] right?

And it's the bread and circus thing. And like I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell who said this that it's not for the White House to be putting on sporting events. That's not We hire the government to run our country, not entertain us. True. Yeah. No, I look I don't like it because I think they should be fighting indoors always. I think world championship fights at the highest level should be fought in a controlled environment. That said, it's going to be sick.

It's going to be It's going to be I'm going to watch. I have two like people think, "Oh, Rogan's negative." Nope. I'm not negative. But I'm not positive either. I don't if it was me, if I was running the the UFC, I would never run the UFC. But if I was running the UFC, I would have never wanted to do it. I would have said, "We can't do it. They have to be in a controlled environment.

We can't have a world championship fight. We can't have someone win or lose because they're outside and it's muggy." That doesn't make any sense to me. It's going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as [__] It's going to be completely different than And also your endurance is going to be less. No, no submission's going probably gonna happen. Well, in other maybe, but also you can get under a neck way quicker, right? Slide your arm through there.

Yeah, if you could cinch up a rear naked choke with someone sweaty, you can get it right under the chin. It's like it slides in there. But most grapplers would not prefer that. Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena like normal. It should be [__] 72° just like it always is, you know? It should be air conditioned like it always is. But even the the controlling the hands because you know like if you're top or bottom like a big part is like the wrist control like if you're sweaty. Oh yeah.

That's tough. I mean back in the old days dudes used to lie down in a bathtub filled with baby oil. And then they would wash it off and so then they would uh you know get warmed up and then when they would start sweating the baby oil would come out of their pores cuz it's like when you soak in baby oil for hours. I'm not accused of any individuals doing this, but I know for a fact it happened. And guys would be completely greased up and you could wipe them down with a towel. It wouldn't matter. I mean, the grease is everywhere. It's in their [__] pores.

And as soon as they start sweating, you try to get a hold of them, it's just it's like trying to hold on to a [__] salmon in the middle of the water. They just slip right out of your fingers. Well, that happens, too, if you eat McDonald's all the time. Just kind of grease out your pores. So, they should try that. Maybe that'll work. I think that'll affect your performance more. But the uh the the sweat is going to be a big issue.

The outside the bugs, that's going to be a big issue. Thunderstorms. Oh, yeah. It's going to rain. Looking at another forecast. This starting around 2:00 rain. 3:00 thunderstorms. 7:00 rain.

It looks great. Oh, by 8:00 it's only showers. Don't be a [__] Just showers. Yeah, maybe they'll cancel it. Look, I think if they canceled it and moved it indoors, it'd be better for everybody. I don't like it. I think I the idea was like they want the the octagon, the White House behind it. Yeah.

For image and everything like that. It's going to be dope. The card is sick. It's a [__] amazing card. The card I mean it's only seven fights and all of them are bangers from the opening one with Steve Garcia and Diego Lopez. Bam right off the gate. It's like Bo Nickel and Kyle Donawas. Bam right out the gate.

I mean it's it's going to be a sick [__] card. The card's amazing. I I That does look incredible. That's the lightning catcher that they put over there. Yeah, it's going to be nuts. It's going to be nuts if it happens. But if it rains like crazy, you know, but I mean, everybody will love it if it rains. All the the people who hate it.

Yeah. Rain on those mega [__] Oh god, you're ruining our country, man. It's uh very divided time. Oh, it's it's nuts. Yeah. But um like I said, my concern is for the athletes. Uh a fighter's career is very short. A loss is devastating.

And to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think is But it's also going to be sick. It's like being there is going to be nuts. And maybe it's worth it. I don't know. We'll find out. Well, you you got to hand it to Dana for going big like he always does. He always does. I mean, you know, they he always does.

He was at the the Sphere in Vegas, right? It's like, wasn't that was out of the box, but it was amazing. Yeah, that was sick. That was a one time only thing. That was so much money. But this is a one time only thing supposedly, too. But apparently Trump doesn't want to take the octagon down. He wants to leave it up.

I don't know, man. I'm I think it'd be great have guys like, you know, come in and train at the White House for a couple weeks. That'd be the next gimmick. I mean, why not? [__] it. Yeah, it's just the whole thing's chaos anyway. It's a crazy time. I mean, what Biden could have a giant LBGT flag in front of the White House and have trans people pulling their breasts out.

Remember that? Like they had big pride day. They had big pride flag in front of the White House. Like, I'll take I'll take this over that. It's like all of it is silly. Yeah, it's all s That should have nothing to do with the White House. This should have nothing to do with the White House, but you know, and then there's a lawsuit right now like people are trying to sue to keep the UFC out the way. They'll probably lose.

I don't I'm not a lawyer. I don't know, but I would imagine they're not going to win. I'm a I'm a huge fighting fan, UFC fan. I you know, Dana White is like an icon. I love all the fighters. I just love everything about it. It's uh I just, you know, I kind of agree with Bryce Mitchell's take on it, which you can get in trouble with agreeing with him because he has a lot of takes, but uh but on this one, I I kind of get it. And um yeah, I mean, I don't blame the fighters at all for jumping to this opportunity.

No, they have to do it. The whole world's going to watch. It's going to be probably the most watched sporting event maybe in history. Mhm. I mean, uh, it's on Paramount, so it'll be on CBS as well, right? So, it'll be probably avail. Yes. So, it's on CBS as well.

So, it'll be available to everybody. And then all the haters are going to watch it, too. They're going to want to talk [__] So, it'll probably be covered on CNN. What a disaster it was. And they already talked a lot about how I'm not into it. But I I have to be honest about what I'm into and what I'm not into. I can't just agree with something if I don't agree with it. I'll be respectful.

I'll, you know, I'm obviously a huge fan of the UFC and it's always an honor to work for them and I love it, but I don't like it. But I'll still when I'm there I'm like, "Oh, this is sick." And maybe after it's over, I'm like, "They were right." Or maybe it'll be like, "Oh, it [__] rained. It was what a [__] show. It was lightning. They canceled the fights. It was a huge disaster for CBS." It's live sports. It's like, you never know. I mean, if they pull the entire audience out and just have the guys fight in the cage under the the canopy, now I'm in.

Yeah, that's like Apex style. Now I like it. Now I like it. No crowd, just us. Just me, DC, and Anic. That'd be pretty fun. Now I like it. Now I like it.

And you know, we're protected by the rain, but everybody else isn't. So they all have to leave. [__] yeah. Cuz I think it's going to be also a lot of like look at me. people are gonna dress up nice for it and like because they know they're going to be on television and it's you know I get it but I it's really for me it's about the fights there's there's gigantic fights on that card the Justin Gate Ilia fight I am very interested in that fight I'm very interested in that fight I really wish it was like at the T-Mobile or Madison Square Garden or whatever but who cares I I that's a fight I have a lot of questions about I need to see that fight happen I mean Justin's quite a bit bigger But Ilia is so skilled, bro. He's I watched a a whole um I watched his entire career last night. Mhm. So, there was a the UFC put out a video about Ilia saying, "Is Ilia Taporia the GOAT?" And it goes from his f first fight um uh in the UFC to his last victory and you watch every single fight of his career and you watch him get better over time and you know it gets deeper into his career and then you you see his last three fights and you're like, "Good lord." Yeah.

like he was awesome when he first entered the UFC, but he just kept getting better. So, the Ysef Sal fights, the first fight that goes to a decision, you know, um and and then um uh you you watch the progression. He starts KOing people. His last three KOs over the biggest stars. They're some of the greatest of all Max Who whoa. Charles, one of the greatest of all times. Max Holloway, one of the greatest of all times. And then Alexander Vulcanowski, the greatest featherweight of all time.

Yeah. Like [__] crazy, man. Knocked them out. Knocked all three of them out. That's one of the greatest resumes of all time. CBS won't air UFC White House event. Viewers would need Paramount Plus to watch. What happened?

Did they back out of it? This is news to me. I just saw they would not televise it. Uh that means you I wonder if like Paramount White decided uh cited the plan to tell America story during the show as the reason CBS would not be involved. What the plan to tell America's story? What? That doesn't make sense. What does that mean?

Uh we don't want to talk about America's story on CBS. No, because there's only x number of fights and it starts from the first one. White said, "We start at the beginning of time, and like the Mexican independence day fight, we're going to have the story of America from the first fight to the last. So, no, they'll all be on paramount." So, it's going to start out with European settlers coming over and giving everyone smallox. And then you're going to see all the Indians die. And then we're going to go, "Oh, look at all these buffalo." Because there's no one there to kill them. And then we're going to see people come across on wagon trains and kill each other. It should be fun.

It's like a good story. It's going to be a very accurate story. of how the United States started. It'll start from back when we [__] up Mexico in like what was that? 1861 to get Texas. No. What year did they No, it was like 1821, wasn't it? Like that that Mexico owned We'll start from the beginning.

We'll go all the way to buying Alaska for like 50 bucks. Yeah. People love it. Why wouldn't you want? It'd be good. It' be good. It'd be great. It Yeah.

It's uh I don't know. It's It's going to be a spectacle for sure. I'll be tuning in. But I'll be there. Yeah. It's going to be You're at the White House all the time now. I've been there a couple times. Yeah.

It's weird. It's very weird. It's also very weird because um as much as people hate Trump and hate his decisions and hate what he's doing and hate how he talks and I My experiences with him personally have always been fun, unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately for everybody else, like uh you know, if he likes you and you're on his good side, he's a fun guy to be around. He says a lot of fun [__] The [__] man loves America. He genuinely does. He really does.

Like he wants to make the White House look better. He wants to build this ballroom cuz he want like he has good intentions in terms of America. It's just there is not a single [__] person that's ever taken the job of the president of the United States that's loved by everybody. But his the the issues that he's having right now is a lot of the stuff that is going on in this country is contrary to what people voted for and that's what people are upset about. The war the war specifically that I don't you know we voted for protecting the border. Uhhuh. and they did that. Yeah.

It's uh or American manufacturing um protecting America's interests like with trade with uh just protecting people's jobs so we have a way to to work and provide for our family. America first that was what that sounded good to me and it feels like this isn't any of that. Like I it feels like even his administration at first I was just like oh [__] these are some this is good. But it feels like if you go against him in any way, you're [__] gone. Well, it's that for sure. And then it's also, you know, the amount of political pressure. You know, you have to make deals, right? So, you got the pharmaceutical drug companies that are trying to squeeze this in there and then you got the oil companies trying to squeeze that and the military is trying to squeeze this and there's a lot of compromises that have to be made and that's where things get dark.

Yeah. Because there's people that come in with these ideas that we're going to fix this and clean that. Like I've had long conversations with RFK and that guy's in struggle all day. It's a battle all day. Yeah. It's dealing with all these pressures. And look, they've made a lot of headway. They've made a lot of headway with with peptides.

They made a lot of headway with uh eliminating some of these uh unnecessary food dyes and all these different things that we've been subject to. But they lost with glyphosate. And that was a big one, man. Glyphosate was a big one. You know, I've got a guy coming on who's an expert in it that's going to talk about it soon. And it it is the the people that are gaslighting you to say it's not an issue. We don't really know how much of the health problems that a lot of people have who consume uh glyphosater products have. We don't know how much it's affecting you.

What is it taking away from your immune system? What is it taking away from how much is your body processing this [__] toxic herbicide that's in your system versus I mean how much of that is contributing to people's health problems? There's a lot of people that think that that's what a lot of this gluten allergy [__] is that people are just reacting to yeah bromate and pesticides and herbicides. But is what's that stat with Iowa being the center for glyophate basically with all the agriculture there and then that's like the hot bed for cancer? I mean, yeah, you don't have to look very far to see that connection. No, you don't. No. Well, you know, that was also back in the day when people were when people talk about the polio epidemic.

You can't talk about the polio epidemic without also talking about spraying of DDT all over the [__] country because DDT poisoning has the exact same reaction the body has the exact same reaction as polo as paralytic polo polio polo polio you know the disease like there's this woman who wrote a great book on it um uh Suzanne Humphre is it called uh dissolving illusions and it's all about that and all about like f first of all they were spraying it behind cars in streets where children were playing and people were getting polio I remember seeing kids like running through it but it wasn't just people that were getting polio this is part of the problem with the narrative that it's polio animals were getting polio like animals were getting polio but they don't get polio it doesn't spread to animals but the horses and [__] cows were getting paralyzed they were getting the same symptoms because it's [__] DD tea poisoning. And here's the craziest one. What percentage of polio is asymptomatic? Meaning you get it and you have no symptoms. 95 to 99%. So it's people have it. This it's DDT. Yeah.

Yeah. It's DDT that I mean look, it's not saying that some people that are very sick and immune compromised get polio and get [__] up and die. Of course polio is bad. Thousands of people die every year from the flu. Flu is bad, right? Okay. But you know what else is bad? DDT.

And you know what's what else is going on? When everybody was going through this whole polio epidemic, [__] spraying DDT everywhere. And most people are ignorant to it. Yeah. And you bring it up. They call you a conspiracy theorist, but it's [__] fact. It's undeniable. Well, I I was like, you know, the controlling the weather.

I was like, that's conspiracy. But then I started seeing the planes like laying the [__] clouds out. Have you seen Have you seen it? Yes. And no. Okay. So, I actually did a show on this. You did?

Yes. I did a not an episode of the podcast. I did an episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything. Know that show that I used to do back in the day. We did a whole episode on chemtrails. And one of the things we first of all, the reason why it looks like that, this is just a fact. The reason why it looks like that is there's condensation in the atmosphere. You have a hot jet engine.

It's passing through this cool air. And the hot jet engine and the cool wet air creates clouds. Yeah, those clouds are real. It's artificial clouds. Also, they spray [__] in the air. Two things are happening at the same time. Yeah, cuz you see the normal planes, you see the normal jetream, you're like, "Okay, checks out." Then you see the other ones and it's a different jetream. Yeah.

But it doesn't matter. The the condensation in the atmosphere is inconsistent. But they're making just like clouds are inconsistent. But you can we we watched them the other day make laps. Yeah. But it might not be the same plane. It might just be a route, right? You're not watching the entire plane go all the way down land and come back.

No. No. But you're watching consistent plane travels, but that's why it looks like that. But it's just days where there's a lot of condensation in the atmosphere. Dude, I'm telling you, listen, those planes, if you're looking at a Southwest flight and they're not spraying, okay? But some planes spray [__] And there are some weather modification experiments they do that are completely top secret. They don't let anybody know about it. They do cloud seeding.

They cause floods. Look at what happened with [__] Dubai. You ever see that Dubai [__] where Lamborghinis are floating down the highway? That is people [__] with the environment. That's what I thought was con conspiracy before, which I don't now. No, it's real. Well, Abu Dhabi does it every week. Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding.

And because they're rich, they're like, "Fuck it. Make it rain. Make it rain." And so there's there's real weather modification. Now that's there's cloud seeding and then there's experimental [__] like some of the [__] that like Bill Gates was talking about like spraying reflective particles in the atmosphere to block out the sun. Like hey [__] face. Yeah. Who are you to make a decision for the whole world to cool the world? You didn't even graduate college.

Shut the [__] up. Like this is crazy. And What if this [__] starts the next ice age and everybody [__] dies, right? I know. I mean, it's get the [__] out of the air. Leave us alone. Stop playing God. You don't know what you're doing.

And also, do you have any money invested in any of these projects that are attached to this? For sure. This, you know, we talk about all this stuff, you know. Oh, I I didn't want to say this. So for public land, I want to say this is part of my notes. Call your senators. Say you want the roadless rule kept intact. Say we don't want to get rid of of the 45 million acres that that are going to be protected with the roadless rule, but to Say say you uh you want the roadless rules kept intact.

And we have to we have to let our voices heard. Our voice were was heard on this not one acre. We won that one. We have to do it again. You have to call your senators and say and and just voice your concerns. It's a slippery slope. You can't let them have any ground. But like what I um here's what this thing was really pissed me off because as I said, the administration at first I thought, okay, we got some we got some good pipe hitters in there.

It feels like they do what Trump says. If they don't, they're gone. They're like they're the scapegoat for whatever failed. They're out of there. Um, you can see the writing on the wall. Like I don't I was I wanted Tulsi to get in there and kick ass cuz I knew how she felt about the war in Iran and and like that would have how detrimental that would be. So I was like I I believed in her and now with her husband getting sick and now she's out of there. But it feels like people are it's like if you stand up for something, you're gone.

And now they got this Mark Wayne Mullen in there who just two days ago for this road roadless rule, he unwinded 31 laws that were going to protect the the public land, right? Just 31 laws. He just said, "Yeah, those aren't going to apply anymore because we need to." They awarded a $ 1.7 billion dollar contract to build a wall in Texas at Big Bin National Park. $ 1.7 million do billion dollars has been awarded and it wasn't even bid to build this wall in Big Bin National Park here. It's like how the public doesn't want that. We don't want a [__] wall. What's the wall for? They're saying for border protection.

And if you look at like where the border crossings are, it's not in the middle of the [__] park. So, what do you think that wall is really for? I don't know. [__] up national a national park, one of the most pristine places in Texas. I don't know what the goal is. But have you read into it, though? Is there any arguments pro and con that the walls I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's for border protection.

I mean, maybe Jamie can look it up. Yeah. Let's see if there's is there like a there was no public input on it again, right? That's the problem. And then the problem is again they can come up with reasons why you know they have to make some new laws because well we got to protect people. Yeah. And that's how the slippery slope begins. It was a co like you know safe and effective protect your communities.

It's like you got to do this for safety. Well it's the same thing. Trump administration will bypass environmental laws for border project in Big Ben National Park. So what is does it say what the argument for it is? According to preliminary federal notice, latest regulatory waiver will apply to more than 100 miles of US Mexico border. So it's a border law. Yeah. from near clo near near the closed canyon trail in Big Ben Ranch State Park through the entirety of Big Ben National Park into remote parts of southeastern Brewster County.

In the notice, Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullen wrote, "The administration is bypassing a wide range of laws to ensure the expeditious expeditious construction of barriers and roads along the southern border. While US Customs and Border Protection continues to insist it will not build a 30-foot tall steel border wall in either the state or national park, the AY's current plans call for a mix of vehicle barriers, surveillance technology, and patrol road upgrades in the parks as a part of a project dubbed dubbed Big Ben 4. So, this is like not not listening to the experts. Again, six former superintendents of Big Ben National Park pinned a letter to Mullen urging them not to take such a step. So again, not listening to the experts, just like the ballot box biology, just doing whatever the [__] they want. Doesn't matter what the public or the expert thinks they're thinks they're going to do. It award these bids to the probably some construction outfit this guy's invested in for $1.7 billion with no bid. It's like, how is this how is this okay?

Yeah, it's very I don't understand it. Is there a lot of crossings in there? No, there's not. That's the thing. they have where all the crossings happen. There's like this tiniest percentage in that park cuz it seems like it's probably a very remote area of Mexico that it connects to as well, right? So, it'd be very difficult to get through that way. And also, if you're going to get through that way, like good lord, You're going into like tough country.

Yeah. And you know, that's that's good elk country down there. I know people who hunt like West Texas, good good bulls. Yeah. So, it's like I just I I don't know. It's uh so if you look at the millions of Americans who treasure Big Bend, you know, they don't want construction down there. And especially if if we voted on it, fine. If there was a reason, fine.

But it was never voted Yeah. It says uh the horrific plans are an affront to the millions of Americans who treasure Big Ben. Lake Jordal, uh, an advocate with the Center for Biological Diversity said in a statement, "Politicians who've never set foot here are signing a death warrant for this wild and beautiful place." Yep. And that's, you know, I've heard somebody, you know, pretty close with Trump tell me that he's never walked on dirt before. Trump has never walked on dirt. He plays golf. Has to have walked on dirt. Grass, baby.

That's very dirt. Not on his course. But the but the point is it's like somebody who doesn't appreciate public land. They don't give a [__] about this. No, they don't give a [__] they don't they're not going to see it and they never would see it. There is a border wall going up there too though. There as well. Same spot.

Yeah. Look, um, they have to protect the border, but if there's not a lot of crossings there and all of a sudden you want to spend all this money to build a steel border, like who's getting the contract and just to award that with no bid, it's just not that's not I was a a public buyer. That's not how it works. You're spending public money. You can't just spend public money without a bid, right? I mean, but they bypass all this [__] that has the checks and balance in place to ensure that we're making good decisions with public money. They bypass it all. And then you know who suffers here?

It's the people who don't have like some some people they go to the park for mental health. They want to go camp. They want it's like they might not have two nickels to their name, but they're appreciating nature. That's why public land is so important because that gives purpose to people like me who's less like I got to get out of this [__] hole city and go recharge, right? So for people who don't appreciate that or care about that, that's that's wasted land. It's like we could have a shopping mall, we could have investors doing this, we could have make this where because right now they they would say that well not everybody can can uh um take advantage of this because you have to hike, you have to do these things. So we want to make it more accessible. so more people can enjoy it.

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No. that's that's not how it works. You're going to [__] it up. You can't just have helicopter landing plaids all over the [__] woods. There's There's your Yeah, there's your contract. Spike in border wall spending goes mostly to two firms with GOP White House ties. Construction contracts, including $2.6 6 billion awarded this week are being awarded to at a historic scale through a streamlined process that could put Trump on track to realize his vision for a border wall. Mhm.

Yeah. See that streamline process that was bypassing 31 laws. And so what's there now? Like what is the border now between Mexico and the United States in that area? Is it just land? Like you just walk right right across? It's probably the river. Look, what is it?

What is the border? Can we find that out, Jamie? Does it say? Oh, it doesn't say, but I'll look. Okay, let's just look. Go up. Let's look at the map. So, that's where it is.

Texas. Yeah. Or So, is that the river that blocks it? Well, the river blocks the whole bottom of the border technically, except there's certain parts of the river. I mean, look at that. It's not that hard to get across that river. Look at that one. Well, I mean, people aren't going to go there to cross.

That's crazy. Look how beautiful that is. It's amazing. God, that's so beautiful. No, they're they're not going there to cross. Yeah, that's all mountainous. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to see, actually.

Where is the most border crossings? Well, for a while it was like where they had that road where they were just letting people through. Most border crossings are in actually in Arizona. Yeah. I'm I'm almost positive. So, I'm sure Jaime's going to find it here. I was I'm asking it how many happened through Big Ben National Park. [__] one.

30. Got to stop him. $84 billion. Yeah. It's just like God. I don't know. Just stuff like this. So what happens is like you get distracted with the Israel, the bombing of the girls school, the Epstein files, and then they do [__] like this.

Okay. The only official border crossing inside Big Ben National Park is the Bokeias port of entry, and it sees on the order of about 10,000 legal crossings by visitors per year, plus a relatively small number of unauthorized crossings compared with other parts of the US Mexico border. What exists in Big Ben? Big Ben National Park shares about 118 miles of border with Mexico along the Rio Grand. The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Bokeia's crossing. Small pedestrian only crossing to the Bakias del Carman, Mexico. National Park Service information and travel videos describe Bokeias uh as handling roughly 10,000 visitor crossings per year. Yeah, those those are mostly all legal.

So 734 uh border patrol sector sees only a fraction of total southwest border crossings. One report cited 30 734 people documented crossing in that sector by more than 27,000 along the entire US Mexico border uh in a given period. And like what year was that where it was uh 734? Was that before they shut down the the border? What's really crazy how many people came in the country? Oh, I know. The fact that over four years it's north of 10 million. And I've talked to people that think it's 20.

It doesn't say doesn't say no. And it it it just shows those out of the 27,000, but it doesn't say they're illegal. So, it's not a hot spot of crossing. The last the last slide there said it's just a smallest fraction if is illegal of that 734. Those were like total crossings in that area. A smallest fraction was illegal. So, it's No, it's not. It's BS, right?

It's BS. And they're just going to do it because they got a nice and I want a wall. Beautiful wall. Yeah. But why giant wall in the National Park? Um, the Washington Post reported last week, the skyrocketing border wall contracts now totaling more than 19.4 4 billion in the last six months have mostly gone to Bernard and Fiser. That's prompted a lawsuit against the Trump administration from a would-be rival border wall builder who claims that the government doled out billions in contracts without genuine competitive opportunities. All right.

See, that's illegal. I mean, but that's what they're doing. No bueno. No. And and so but but as I was saying, they distract us with all this other stuff and push through [__] like this. Like who knows what a Senate what the Senate or House is voting on on a [__] Tuesday. Well, it was this public land thing. And you know, just add it in in the middle of the night.

We have no no say on it. We're distracted with all this fights at the UFC with Israel doing whatever the [__] they're doing. And it's just like, oh, we just lost all this public land, too. Mhm. And it's like it's it's impossible to keep up on. That's what's frustrating. You know what's not frustrating? This bare meat.

It's pretty [__] good. Yeah. That's that's uh Man, that's legit. But what what Okay. So that So what can be done? This bill hasn't passed, right? No. Now it's going to go to the Senate.

So it was in the House. The Then here's what here's the problem. So, this was originally this uh roadless rule was bipartisan. Everybody agreed, let's protect this. Now, with Mike Lee adding this language in there, now it's turned um now there's lines in the sand. And nine um Republican senators voted with the Democrats on this to to allow this the roadless rule to get to be in there. So, now it goes to the full Senate. Now, they're going to need whatever the the percentage is, six, I think 60% of a full Senate vote um for it to pass.

So, we'll see. So, now the scumbag lobbyists get involved. Yep. And they start pressuring people and help you do this and I'll do that and help me here and I'll help you there. When they get overwhelmed because of switchboards, if people call that 202 number, like I said, then that makes it to everybody. And Say you're you want to keep the roadless rule intact. You don't want to sell off public lands. You don't want to This is all BS.

Um but they they do this and um yeah, the lobbyists get involved and what happens is like what happened with the big beautiful bill is this part was in there and Trump wanted it in there but it was causing such a friction he was just like I want my big beautiful bill passed. these guys are [__] it up with this public land stuff. Pull that out. Let's get this through. So they did. They pulled out this. We saved the public land. Who knows what what we lost that that was also attached.

But anyway, we saved public land at that time. They're going to for affordable housing. Same thing has to happen here. He's got this language added into the [__] they were already working on. That changes, you know, we've had we've had this in place for decades and and it's worked, right? So we have to say no, we're not down with this. And they have to pull it out again. Well, I hope we can get it through.

We'll push it. You got it up on social media where people can Cameron Haynes Instagram. I will for sure. But, uh, it's like, you know, it's this is so important because it it's so important to people without a voice. So, it's like I feel sometimes like, how did I get in this position? I know you do, too. Like, where you're at the White House, you're just like, how the how the [__] could somebody like me earn this opportunity, right? You've earned it through decades and decades of work, of being curious, of being fair, of being positive, of caring, and now people want to come on and share their thoughts with you.

That gives you a platform. You've the most powerful voice probably in the world at in in some at some times. And so, you get invited to the White House. And I know like for me, I know they've used me there before. Like, yeah, I I created value in myself. Um, they invited me there for Veterans Day and I said, "No, I'm not going because I don't [__] agree with this war in Iran. I don't agree with all this [__] I don't want to go and have a picture in the [__] White House so people could be like, "See, see see you, you [__] you're part of this. You you know, cuz we did.

We we thought that Trump was the best option at the last election." I did. I 100% believed he was better. The thing is, he might still have been the best option. He might be, but and and that's fine. I don't know what would have happened if the the Kla Harris administration had a continuation of the Biden administration. I don't want people coming in the border unchecked by the millions. I didn't want that. I didn't want, you know, this celebration of transgenderism.

I have no problem with transgenders or crossdressers or any I have no problem or gay or anything like that. I just don't want it promoted just crazily to our youth. That's it. I don't want youth getting surgery that their parents don't know about because they can't have a say in it now. I don't I didn't want any of that. So, of course, I'm going to vote for Trump. Right now, I don't like any of this [__] So, I have the my right is to say, "No, I'm not down with this and I'm not going to the [__] I'm not going to be in your picture at the [__] White House so you can use it." And all the people who listen to me would be like, "Oh, well, [__] He was So, they wanted you to go for was it was Veterans Day? And what was the the premise of having you there?

I don't know. But but you're not a veteran. So what was the premise? It it it's only because I have a big platform. So they're going to celebrate Veterans Day at the White House and they just said, "Let's get some famous people." Probably. I mean, it's it's you know, remember the Epstein Files where all the influencers had the binder? Well, it was Pam Bondi. Yeah.

But and there was uh there was a few other influencers, but they use they they you can use people like us for their messaging. And then they invited me back again after now I've been pretty critical of this administration just because I care. And it's just like I don't have to agree with [__] lock step with the person I voted for. That's our right as citizens to be like I voted for that but I don't agree with this and I'm not happy about this and I'm and I want you to know that's that's our right as voters. Would they invite you back again for this? This was back. It was for a public land thing. And I'm like, "Yeah, I'm down for it." But I just know I had this this kid on Benji Backer.

He's like uh has this this page, this nonpartisan something for outdoors. But I did this show with him and I there was uh you know, bringing different people into debate public land or like to share why we care about public land coming from different places, but it's still all important to us. I did the show with him. Well, he went I had him on the podcast. He talked about his how he's working hard to protect public land. He went back and Trump signed an executive order. Something about public land and all it was was a pomp and circumstance photo op to get executive order. Nothing has happened to it.

Nothing has happened with it. No actions been taken. It was like all it was was uh just they could make a press clipping out of it. Theater. A theater. and nothing's going to change. Nothing changes. Nothing's protected.

So that's what I feel like a lot of these times if I get invited there, it's for that is to is to make my base if I have a base. I don't have I'm not a politician, but to make my people like feel a little better about whatever's going on. And I understand that's how it works. You want powerful people on your side, right? I'm not saying I'm powerful, but I have a a pretty big following. I just I just I went back there because it's a huge honor like the few times that I've been back there and is amazing and it's like being in the White House, somebody like me should never be there, but I've created value in my name and in some ways that I get that opportunity, but that opportunity comes with a price. So now I have to think about am I true to what I believe in by showing support for this? And now it's too there's too much for me that I'm not happy with that I can't ignore it personally.

So that's I feel like they use they use opportunities like that for, you know, for press. Well, the the it seems like there's so many different people that want a piece of the pie. And if there's these giant contracts for border walls and giant contracts for this, it's just such an incentive to do things that people don't want. Or what about the military drones? those contracts when this war started. That's you can look into who who made money on that one. Who made money on that one? Should we look it up, Jamie?

Drone military contract. Let's see who made money. I don't want to say it. But you know, huh? Okay. Well, I don't know. So, I'm I'm going to be surprised. Yeah.

So, um maybe maybe not. But like when you follow the money, it makes a lot of sense. Of course, when you follow when you follow Apac, you're like, "Why is this politician always pushing this [__] Where do they get their money?" Oh, I know this guy back home. He's running for like this local politician thing. His name's Adam. He's like, he goes, I Don Jr. What? What?

Jamie, what did you find? Wait a minute. What did you This has got to be a mistake. Eric and Don Jr. invest in military drone company amid Iran war. Is it Jamie? Where'd you find this? That seems like propaganda from Iran or something.

Is that a cartoon? Iran's cartoon uh propaganda again? Um, no. But so anyway, you start I was talking about this local guy back home and he said that he goes, "I need to call Israel." He goes, "It is so hard to get money for like to run as a in whatever. It was just a local election. But you go to a business, they say, "Yeah, here I got $18 I can contribute." Right? Where so you see these big politicians, you see how much money they're getting. It's like, wait, what's this AP pack thing?

Why did they get millions? Oh, then you start wondering how they're voting on things. You're like, this is making a lot more sense. It's like, where's the money coming from? Yeah. They have to take all that out of politics. Oh my god. I don't know how you could at this point, but when you can influence politicians and influence who gets promoted to be voted for, who gets put out into the public eye in a in a in a great light, in a positive light, and then you realize that there's just all this money from corporations to get this person in or from other foreign countries to get this person in or from lobbyists to get this person in.

And you're like, "Wait, that why? That's not serving us." No, it's like and how do you stop that? And when did Okay, here's a big question. When did money officially become a problem in politics? I know that's a very broad question, but put that in perplexity and see what it says. The Citizens United thing was a big deal, but I think it was 2012. What thing is that? Citizens United.

Citizens United. That was 2012. I think so. That changed it a lot, but it was always a problem before that. I mean, there was always been a Like when did corporations become a real problem? Like when did Apac become a problem? Like when did when did Apac form and when did they start donating to American politicians? Yeah, it's uh first of all, I don't think any foreign government, anyone connected to foreign government should have any influence whatsoever on American politics.

I've heard our politicians say their loyalty is to Israel. That is crazy. I've I've heard people say that too. 2022. 2022, they not direct directly start donating to US political candidates until 2022. [__] Jesus. So I if I don't I mean if I remember correctly, Trump didn't take any money from Israel his first election and now he just gave an award to somebody. You can see who who he just gave an award to.

Oh, he gave an award. What kind? One of them big ones. One of them nice ones. They put them around your neck and you stand there in the Oval Office. Yep. Who contributed like you just won the Olympics? Who contributed 250 million to his last election.

Oh. So, do you want an award? That's how much you got to pay for an award. I don't I don't really want an award. I wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. So, to me that So, you said like if 2022 I would imagine Ape would have around much. I would have thought I didn't know that actually. But when I look at like if you look at um Thomas Massie, he got in the crosshairs of the president for whatever reason, right?

He got they had a candidate they wanted him to lose to and he did he did lose. Yeah. So here's the thing. We we'll get to that in a second. Here's the thing. Citizens United decision is widely seen as having created serious problems in US politics by vastly increasing the role of big money and reducing transparency. And so this was what year, Jamie? I want to say it was 2012.

Okay. 2011, 2010, 201. So 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted tilted. Yeah. Tilted political influence towards wealthy donors and corporations. That's when we got [__] Yeah, I think that's when it started treating corporations like a person and gave them rights in some way. See that second bullet point? Supercharge packs which can take unlimited contributions from wealthy donors to spend unlimited amounts in.

So that's how they control the elections And that was the Obama administration. Dark money. Dark money from groups that don't fully disclose donors have exploded. Voters often cannot see who's really funding major political campaigns. So, we need to just [__] tune the way back machine to 2009. But even then, like 2009 is after they bailed out the [__] banks. Well, 15 years later, Citizens United defined the 2024 election. Yep.

There it is. We're [__] It's a slippery slope. Yeah. That's So, I don't That's like Ruth Ginsburg right there called it the worst ruling of her time on the court. Whoa. Overwhelming majorities of Americans have consistently expressed disapproval of the ruling with at least 22 states and hundreds of cities voting to support a constitutional amendment to overturn it. Citizens United reshaped political campaigns in profound ways, giving corporations and billionaire funded super PACs a central role in US elections and making untraceable dark money a major force in politics. And yet it may only be now in the aftermath of the 2024 election we could begin to understand the full impact of the decision.

And it and it's perfect too because citizens united. So this is like the language they use to dupe us. Like oh Citizens United this we're together. This is good right? Just like the Patriot Act. Yeah. Or like in Oregon that hunting thing. It's called the Peace Act.

Oh yeah. Tell talk about that because that one's bonkers. Yeah. So this is nuts. So this is same thing. It's just it's follow the money. If you want to know why we're so [__] up, follow the money. Um, so the IP28, this is a a crazy thing.

They want to here's here's where I I'll just explain Oregon real quick. Oregon is like a petri dish for these crazy ideas, for these political ideas. Like if you think of uh legalizing recreational drug use, you know, we did that in Oregon. Like heroin, meth, you can have that. It's fine. It's whatever. I think they turned that back, right? But they tried it to see how it would work in Oregon.

Yeah. It didn't work out so well. Right. Now, this is another crazy one, but they try it in Oregon cuz it's very We got a huge liberal population in in Portland and Eugene and some of these and Salem, but uh not just liberals. Retards. Yeah, they're they're more than just cuz I'm I'm friends with liberals for sure. Yeah, they're gone. They're they're at the far end of the political spectrum on the left.

They're full-on communists. Yeah. Socialists. No meat. Everyone should be a vegan. They want everybody to get bitten by that tick. Yeah, I mean so much. We should talk about that, too.

We'll get to that in a minute. But, um, so the law the the new thing the bill they're trying to pass ban first of all uh was it was it the may who was it the governor of Washington? Which which governor was it? Oregon or Washington that tried to make it so that you have to have a [__] license to paddle board. Oh, probably Washington. I would say, can you [__] imagine telling someone that they have to have a license to paddle a [__] canoe? you have to pay the state money to have a license to paddle a [__] canoe. They also made it like during CO like some guy was out fishing by himself in the lake.

I think he got a ticket. A guy got arrested when he was uh surfing by himself in California, right? Why are you going to get sick out there in the middle of the ocean surfing? It's just silly. But this IP28, they bill it as, you know, on the So they'll they'll do this thing like go to get these votes, they needed 117,000 votes to get this on the ballot. So to to get 117,000 people to sign your petition um basically all it said was stop animal cruelty. All you have to do is go to Portland and visit one homeless shelter. Just say, "Hey, do you want to stop animal cruelty?" Right.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I love animals. Well, I love animals, too. Oh, we signed this. So, they didn't tell you that it's making, you know, you can't fish, you can't hunt, you can't raise animals like backyard chickens. You can't raise backyard chickens.

Just like even ranchers, you sell beef. You can't do it. They're making it like even the breeding of animals like we breed cows, we breed horses. Um there's stud feeds, there's different things. It makes better race like like uh raceh horses, but there's also better product for for beef, right? So, we control like when uh when a cow goes into heat, when it gets bred, things like that. That's part of like being a rancher. Well, they want to make that like cuz a cow didn't agree to it.

It's like rape. It's like sexual assault. Like you can't control when animals breed. So, that takes away ranching. There is no ranching, right? So they want to make it to where they're not going to make eating meat illegal, but if people can't raise it, you're buying it from some other state at a higher price. You get you're eliminating ranches in Oregon. In Oregon.

Yeah. So it's it's killing a whole industry. Crazy. And they could say that like even if you if you hurt an animal, um I don't know what like you could get charged with assault. So this is they want every animal treated like your family pet or dog. and but the thing is so if you kill a chicken for food, you go to jail. Yeah. Yeah.

I was wondering like if you you know how you're driving a car and like sometimes a bird flies in front of you, right? You going to get arrested for Yeah. That but you're responsible for your vehicle, you killed that squirrel. So this guy who introduced this, this is the third attempt at doing this. He knows he's not going to get the vote because how it'll work to get on the val ballot, they take 6% of the votes cast in the last governor governor election. So 6% of the last votes casted. So it's a small number, but it's 117,000. Um they can get that many by just saying stop animal cruelty.

Now it goes to the ballot. Um but he knows this is his third time. He knows this isn't going to pass, but it's like it just tells them what they need to work on, what language they need to change. It's all part of this long-term process to get hunting and fishing stopped, right? Because I think like in general, the government, they like consumers. They don't like people being too uh um self-sufficient. They like them relying on that. This is another step.

Like if we can get rid of ranchers, hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff, then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you. Bill Gates owns all this land. You talked about Bill Gates before and him making decisions on [__] he doesn't know anything about. He dropped out of college. But did you say he dropped out of college or Yeah. So, it's uh it's they want to be able to control who's who's providing the food, who's making the money, what type of food it is. Um, you know, it's like it goes back to the whole WC thing. It's like you will own nothing and be happy.

It's like that's they want these smart cities working towards that to where no, you don't need to be a badass hunter anymore. We we got it, right? And they they can use these nutty progressive people as just useful idiots to push things through. That's all it is. Yeah. And then you get a bunch of people that are pushing money packs that are pushing money towards these people to fund them to push these wacky ideas. You go, why would they do that? Well, that's why they do that.

They do that because they want you dependent on them, right? And this is part of this process where it doesn't happen overnight. And this thing won't won't make it into law for sure, but they'll see where they're at. This will be like, okay, here's where we're at. Here's what we need to change on our messaging. Here's where the biggest push back was and they adjust where can we do that on the other side? It's like I know there's there's farming and ranchies or organizations, but like it's it's money. It's like who's giving these people the money?

It's usually coming from out of state and u they have more money and they're more organized than people who are are working cuz when you're a rancher, you're [__] working all the time. You don't you can't go get signatures and [__] You got work to do. these [__] these environmental people that are just crazy like extremists, they get paid for doing this. So, it's like that's how that's their job. You know, a rancher has a he has a job and it's very hard. He doesn't have time to go out and and talk knock on doors. That's the really [__] up part is a lot of these people that are these protesters, these organizers, that is their job. And that's hard for people to really understand.

And until you listen to people like Mike Benz where he breaks down how NOS's work and how they fund things and the fact that like most of these things are a [__] scam. Most nonprofits are a [__] scam. Definitely. And it's hard for people to wrap their head around that because you think of nonprofit like, "Oh, my son works for a nonprofit. Oh, he must be a good guy." He's like trying to help. And maybe he is a good guy. Maybe he starts out a good guy. But then you you're corrupted by this system that you realize like oh no the nonprofit is essentially about supporting the nonprofit and most of the money goes to the supporting of this organization.

The overhead the structure all all the infrastructure all the people working there. They all get paid very well and then a little piece goes to whatever the [__] it is. The people starting them the nonprofit will be like okay first I'm going to need this much money. Exactly. Oh, you want to be my VP? I can count on you. I'm You're going to make this much money. So, that's what happens.

And then whatever's left is like that's their, you know, that they can't write off. That's what they contribute. Yeah. Um, what did I see this? Oh, this is another one that I saw about nonprofit hospitals. Do you know that nonprofit hospitals are the most profitable? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

They can just hide that money. They charge crazy amounts for How crazy is that? Like nonprofit are the most profitable. So this whole idea it's it's all just This most of what you think of as like philanthropy is really like the Bill Gates stuff. There's a great book called [__] what is the name of the book? I read this book of controls and it's all about how a lot of these guys they they realize that they were having public image problems like particularly Bill Gates like during the uh antirust lawsuits with Microsoft. Then he tr pivots to this Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation where it's all about philanthropy but they're philanthrop capitalists. All the different philanthropy ventures are extremely profitable.

Like he made $500 million allegedly off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments in this vaccine. It didn't even [__] work well. Yeah, I think Trump got paid paid with that, too. But it's like uh Yeah, it's it, you know, the money thing. I don't know. The citizens, the regular citizens are the ones that pay the price for this Yeah, it's it's dark. And so here it is. Put your heads headset on real quick.

Listen us this guy talk about congressman recently described some nonprofit hospitals as hedge funds with hospital beds person say that nonprofit hospitals were like hedge funds with hospital beds and I was like I bet they are what's going on here because in the United States more than half of our hospitals are nonprofits but the hospital world doesn't feel very nonprofity and then I read this article by Scott Hodgej in the Washington Post that talked about how they need to be taxed and it turns out that the total revenues of nonprofit hospitals in America in 2023, so three years ago, was $1.3 trillion. And it turns out that they're getting a bunch of taxpayer money. In fact, 3 years ago, so this is probably a lot more now, nonprofit hospitals were making $45 billion worth of profit. And as I mentioned, we taxpayers give them a bunch of money. In fact, in 2021, we gave them $ 38 billion, 11.5 billion of it because they don't have to pay any taxes. And that was 5 years ago. So, this is probably more like 60 billion now. And the reason that we hypothetically give them this money as taxpayers is because they're supposed to do charity.

But there was a study that looked at almost 1,500 nonprofit hospitals and found that 86% of them provided little or no charity. And that's because almost everybody that goes to hospitals has insurance. Is either private health insurance or insurance from the government. Only 3% of people don't have health insurance. And it's not like the hospitals give them a deal. Turns out that the government was checking this out around 2009. The hospital spun up a lobbying campaign and got any requirements that would basically define what kind of charity they would have to do squashed. So now it's kind of the honor system.

So I was like, where are those billions of dollars going that the nonprofit hospitals make in profits? Turns out it goes to executives like these CEOs who are getting paid about $4.5 million a year. Meanwhile, their nurses make about 70K. 4.5 million a year here. apparently management consultants getting billions of dollars from nonprofit hospitals. And here's a guy, Robert, at a hospital in New York who paid himself $15.3 million a year. Nonprofit hospital. And there are really good nonprofit hospitals that are primarily funded by donations and serve lowincome families and people in need like St.

Jude or like the Shriners. But it looks like about 86% of these nonprofit hospitals get 50 or 60 billion from US taxpayers like you and me because they're supposed to do some form of charity. But they paid off the government so they don't have to really do charity. And some of their CEOs are making $15.3 million a year while we subsidize them with like $50 billion. Do you think this is right? I saw this conversation. So this is P. Davis Jones on Instagram.

[__] See, it's like it's again it's just like the UFO thing. Y it's there's distractions. There's so much to pay attention to. There's so much [__] fraud and there's so much. This is what Elon told me when he started looking into the Doge stuff. He's like, "It's impossible to describe the amount of fraud." He's like, "It's insane." That's what Nick Shirley found in Minnesota when he went to investigate the daycarees and also found in California with hospice care centers. There's entire motel where every room was supposed to be an office for some [__] nonprofit and they're all just siphoning money. It's madness.

So that's like that's what it makes regular people like me like what's the answer? It's like what's the point to all this? Meanwhile, I'm paying out my ass in taxes for [__] like this. And or for war. It's like Yeah. All of it's gross. Every single Yeah. I mean, uh, what we're going to have to have is some sort of sort of like radical transparency where all this stuff gets exposed and gets exposed like probably with some AI program and no one's going to want to turn that on, They're never going to want everyone to know exactly how much fraud and how much [__] terrible management they've done with our money.

like the Pentagon's never passed an audit once. No, not one. Zero. And you look at you don't pass an audit, you're going to jail. For sure. Yeah. Not that. You look at Yeah.

how much we're in debt. All the shenanigans they do with the public money. It's just like that's over exaggerated. We're only in debt $39 trillion. That's not a big deal. Isn't that crazy? You know, the thing is they could just print $39 trillion and it's done. Yeah.

Just pay it off. The reason why they don't is because they have really good control. God, they're doing a great job. It's a one one thing on this hunting thing. I I do have to give credit to Dan Gates and Howell. It's like they've done a good job in Colorado like fighting this. This is like been um we've won a few things there. Um have they tried to do the same thing with Oregon in Colorado?

The same kind of thing. Well, no. What Dan is doing, he's um he's got out there initiative 302 and it's going to make hunting and fishing in Colorado a constitutional right. Okay. So hopefully that you know how these just like this this lobbyist and this IP28 they're seeing what works and what they can get away with and kind of planning for the future. Well, if Dan is successful with this initiative 302 passing that will be like how we can address this in the future to protect hunting and fishing because if it can go through there this is like the litmus test for it then okay maybe we can do this in other states also. So, this is a big one coming up they're working on right now. But, I mean, we have to we just have to get more savvy politically to when they're doing [__] like this, we have to be more in tune, you know, and educated on it.

God, it's such a bummer, though, because like the people that I know like Mike Benz that do this all day. I do not envy. I mean, Mike Benz makes these live streams where he's just exposing and they they last for hours. Like, who's going to go through them all? Well, and he's exposing all these different companies. Be nice. be positive. We didn't do any of that.

How do how do you how do you talk about this? It's hard in a nice and positive way. It's very very very difficult. Very especially because these are real problems. I la last on my li Well, I don't know what's up on the list, but uh um Oh, I do want to talk about this Pokemon. I want to shout out Ryan Callahan from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. He you know Ocal. Sure.

Sure. Great guy. Bust his ass for this [__] Martin Heinrich, which is he's a senator there in New Mexico. He's I think he's a Democrat. I don't give a [__] about Democrat, Republican, whoever. He just fights for public lands and he's a badass. And then also Ron Weiden there in Oregon, who normally I'd probably never agree with anything on cuz, you know, it's just different. But he is he does get I want I want to give those guys credit for trying their best to protect and fight against this public land selloff.

and Mike Lee and um this energy re resource committee which is you know they're beholden to a different set of values. Usually it's money related and these guys are kind of fighting for for the guys like us who just enjoy being out in the mountains. So you know you're being positive. Yeah. I just wanted to tell those guys are doing great.

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But um I I was going to bring this up. This is like the whole scandal I've been involved with recently, which is feels like a lot for me, which I don't like, but I my point on it is I feel like um Well, let's explain the scandal before you get into that. So, you won the Oregon Marathon in your uh age category. And then someone started complaining because you had taken BPC 157. Yep. which is a band substance. So, you had take, for people that don't know, as ridiculous as it sounds, Cam broke his foot like two years ago. You broke your foot like two years ago and you never got it fixed.

So, all these miles you've been running, you've been running with a broken foot and uh you went to ways to Well, they treated your foot with stem cells and they injected BPC57 into your foot to help help your foot heal. Um, is it healed now? Is the bone like fused up? What did it do? It just grew back. Yeah, finally. It was like It took a while cuz I didn't stop running. And what does it look like now on an X-ray?

It's like kind of the the bone is it was a big break, like a pretty wide break, which is why the the surgeon didn't know if it was going to be able to the bone was going to be able to make it across there because I kept like moving moving it. And um and he told me he's like, you know, with this this is I just had the same surgery done on my my thumb where the the ligament pulls a piece of the bone off and breaks it, right? So your ligaments and tendons very strong the bone fracture. So what happened here is I fell and I was doing a race and and basically shredded my ligament, broke this bone. So, they had to hope that the bone was big enough to go attach it back to where it broke from because bone on bone healing is much better than ligament to bone. It's like quicker, right? So, we need a piece of that bone. Well, in my foot, they said he didn't know how big that piece that broke off was.

So, there's a chance that it it wouldn't reattach through surgery. So, which means he'd have to take the ligament back to it. It's called a Jones fracture. It's on the outside of my foot. And um hope it it connected. But that would be like stretching that ligament beyond where it was supposed by design. So it probably change the function of your foot. It would it would change the dynamic of my foot and how my foot and I run I have a good stride.

I run well and I'm and he said there's no guarantee that this will attach like it should or that you know you need another surgery if this doesn't work and then another one to get the hardware out. So I'm just like I really don't want to do two or three surgeries. let's see if we can try other treatments less invasive. If I can just deal with this pain for long enough, would my foot heal? And it has. Um, so I was like very interested in not getting the surgery based on, you know, he's a a renowned surgeon and he does all the surgeries on the Oregon football team. He's a stud. Trust totally trust him.

But I heard what he was saying about like, hey, there's no guarantee this is going to work perfect. And I took that to heart. when did you have the injury? How long ago was It was June 16th of 2024. Quite a long time ago, right? So, basically a solid two years. Yeah. So, I went in and I dealt with it for I mean it hurt for a long time.

I just didn't want to stop living, you know, and I'm like, "Okay, if it's just pain, I have a very high pain tolerance. I don't care. I'm going to block that out and just do what I do." So, I did. I did I did everything. I did all my hunts. I did races. And it was terrible. And but I made it.

I made it through and my foot's healed. But so broke it in June, went into ways 12 I think in July, went back in November, which is when I got that stem cell back in it. And uh when they put in the BPC there, that that one time in November and um so that was like that was a thing. And all I said, you know, I had a very fast Eugene marathon time for me. Um I'm healthier than now than I've ever been. I've retired. I've done more specific training. all these people, you know, I've been labeled as like a doper, right?

Like almost like Lance Armstrong, like that. Well, you've been labeled by one very specific person that is a professional runner who's also a vegan and has been very vocal about you in an anti-hunting way. So, he's got that and and you're also your time your running time. He's is he 18 years younger than you? And your running time is very similar to his. His last marathon? Yeah. Yeah.

And your running time of this year's marathon, which you won in your age class, is quicker than last year's by quite a bit. What people don't understand is last year your [__] foot was broken. I didn't run last year cuz I was hurt. So it was quicker than like the year before, right? Was your foot broken then? No. Okay. So, your time is quicker now than it's ever been before after recovering from your broken foot.

Yeah. And that's amazing. It's But how much quicker? 10 minutes. It was My best time was in My very best time was in 2006. Uh me and Lance Armstrong, we did the New York Marathon. I didn't even see him during this one, but I ran 250, like 21 in New York. I ran 250 quite a few times, like Boston when I ran with Lance in 2008.

I did run 250 again and that's when we finished together. Um, and you know, Trruit and I were talking about this too just the other day because Trruit, my son, he's going for the Olympic trials qualifier in the marathon, which means he needs to run quicker than a 216. So, we were talking about this and and it's just my training and even his training because I'm not a coach and I don't know. I just run to get in shape for bow hunting, okay? I don't I'm not a pro. Um, but and I had him run and he's very talented, but I didn't know how to coach him either. So, he hired a real coach. And when you start getting into this marathon training and specifics of it and why you do certain certain exercises and why there's certain stimulus from I mean, I just had the winner of the Eugene Marathon on my podcast and we did a really fast run.

We ran a 506 mile, which I had never done at mile seven of an eight mile run. And then he said, "Okay, my His name's Jack Sadell. He's like an amazing athlete, has 1400 followers, which is kind of crazy that this amazing talented people have a small amount of following, but their talent is incredible." So, he wanted I ran with him just the other day and he said, "Oh, I need to do eight 100 meter strides, which is simply essentially sprinting." after we ran super hard eight miles, climbed 3,000 a 3,000 or 2,000 foot mountain and uh did this fast pace, but he still had to get the stimulus needed for what he's asking his body to do, which is qualify for the Olympics. Right? So, the stimulus is what I've never done before. I've never got on the track and did it. All I ever did was just go run. I just run.

It's what I do. It's like, how do I move this needle in the right direction in a positive way? I got to put in work. How I'd put in work was I'd go run mile after mile after mile, some days 20 miles a day because I felt like that was a a noble sacrifice for me and for achieving what goals I wanted, which was bow hunting related, not not racing related. Well, with Truit taking on this Olympic trials qualifier journey, he's he's been doing the stimulus, hired a coach, and like, "Hey, Dad, you need to do this type of stuff." You know, get on the track. You wouldn't think you need to get on track to run 26 miles quick, but you do because you need the stimulus for your body. I had never done any of that. I had never got enough sleep.

I would sleep, you know, if I was going to do a marathon a day and still be at work 10 hours a day, I'd have to get up at start at 2:45 a.m. And I did. And sometimes I wouldn't go to bed until midnight. I didn't care about sleep. You'd have Ma Dr. Matthew Walker on here. I'd say, "Fuck that dork. I'm not listening to sleep." It's like, "I don't need sleep.

I can still perform. Look it, I just ran 26 miles yesterday on two hours of sleep. But I wasn't performing at my best because my I had to overcome my body fatigue. So for decades, I would work. Didn't miss a a day of work in 26 years. Never called in sick once. Always get my miles in. Always get my work done.

I was leading the crews. People relied on me to be a good leader. I had to be there. I'd still put in this work. I would not get any sleep. My body was so depleted. I still did everything I needed to do at the highest level I could. Turns out the highest level I could given those circumstances was a 250 marathon.

All right. So, I required three or I mean I retired three years ago. Now I'm getting sleep. Now I'm doing sauna, cold pluns. I get, you know, I spend, let's see, spend 2,000 bucks a month on massage and body work. Um, and now with more specific training, like last year I ran with Truit. He ran 238 in Boston, 234 in Eugene. We went on a run right before that.

He said, "Dad, I can't keep up with you. You You should be going for the sub 230." He's trying He was trying to break 230. He goes, "You should be going for the sub 230. You're you're faster than me." So, this was last year, but then I got hurt. So, last year I was going to break this same record. This year I've been healthy. I knew I was going to get my fastest time ever. I put up a a post and I said PR or ER.

I'm either getting a personal record or I'm going to the emergency room. I'm sending it. So I said PR ER and I got a PR. I got 23911. One of the fastest ever for a 58-year-old. And it's like that caused people to pay attention which I get. It's a very fast marathon for somebody almost 60 years old. But you have to look at the that the full picture and say like this wasn't some just guy who just started running been running.

I've been running since I'm 5 years old. I'm 58. I was running pushing myself at five running further than any other kid in school winning an in awards. That was 53 years ago. Okay. I've been doing this a while. I haven't been training specifically because I didn't care. And so this guy said, "Oh, have, you know, he's like mad that I was so fast.

He's talked [__] about Truid. I don't," and I'm trying to be nice and be positive, so I'm not going to say his name. I'm not going to I understand people who want to protect clean sport. I applaud USADA. I applaud Watada. I applaud Clean Sports. I love it. It's it's it's required for Olympic athletes to get their just do.

Um, for me, he he said, you know, he's talked [__] about TRIO, which he's already on my radar. Cuz I remember Truit said, "Hey, there's this elite guy who's saying that I'm dishonoring the marathon because I have no chance of getting this standard and you know, I said, "Who?" And he said, "Why is that dishonoring the marathon?" Because he was saying like true was so far away from his time that it was unrealistic to even put that as a goal. My my point was he's a runner just like you. He has a big dream just like you had. Why [__] on his dream? Somebody says that that this dream, they want to do it. You're running. How would it be dishonorable to have a lofty ambition?

That doesn't even make sense. It that was just words. It the words are associated because he's my son. So that's all that amounted to. Um but I he was on my radar for that because Truit told me and I said, "Who?" And I had didn't even really know who it was. Looked him up. I'm just like, "Yeah, [__] whatever. So anyway, I knew the name.

Well, he comes on my page after this and he says something like he dug up this old post from like 2011, which is still up there and it talked about the [__] I was taking from it was like complete nutrition which is like GNC and it was you know if you go to GNC like you know mass gainer 2000 like everything seems like it's a steroid. It's over the counter. It's not [__] steroids. You can't buy steroids over the counter. Everything that on that thing that I was doing, I was sponsored by Complete Nutrition. All over the counter supplements. It's like there's no [__] EPO on here. It's like what these people try to make it sound like.

It was just [__] that I was lifting weights. This is from 15 years ago, 2011. It's a It's a blog post. He still has it. Yeah. It's like like I said, praying around like a trophy. It's like [__] over the counter. Whatever.

So he said I said, "Are you still talking about that?" This is like late at night. I was kind of irritated. Didn't doesn't guy irritates me anyway. So he said, "Could you pass a USADA drug test?" And I said, "I have no idea. It has nothing to do with me. I don't give a [__] Probably not, though, because I I didn't actually I didn't even know, but I know it's very restrictive." And I've had a lot of Olympians and things on my show. We don't talk about the drug test stuff. We're just like, we just go running.

Well, what what stuff would you take had you taken that wouldn't allow you to pass a drug test? Like the stuff you're taking now? Like what supplements can you not take? Because there's a lot of stuff that people just take normally that you can't take. Peptides are one of them, right? I certain peptides. Certain peptides. I think you can take certain ones, but I don't even know cuz I decid I had never looked at the list.

I tried to with this when this came up. Well, there's the other thing is uh a lot of people fail just by taking supplements because there's third party there's contamination of supplements. That's that's what happened to Sugar Ali with ostine. It's happened to you know a lot of athletes with this. Most of the stuff that you would buy at like a GNC probably an Olympian couldn't take or they'd have to check it out, right? Because it's like how clean is a lab? how, you know, susceptible is to contamination. So, a lot of them like they're thinking about this [__] every day.

Like, it's their whole life. If they get if they pop hot, their career is over. So, it's it's a huge I had Jordan Burroughs in here and he wouldn't even uh try a Kill Cliff CBD drink. Yeah. Right. He's like, I don't think I can take Well, I had Cheeto in on my show and I said, "Hey, you want to try a ketone?" He's like, "I don't I don't So he called Jeff Ninsky and he said, "Could I take this ketone IQ?" And Jeff said, "Well, depends on what batch is approved." So the batch of the ketone IQ that was made has to be approved. The other batch might not be approved. So you could fail from that other batch.

I didn't know any of that [__] but he called him right right before we did it. So he didn't take it. It's just like So there's things like that where it's just it's nonstop. I don't know if I can take this, this, that. I've never been in that position because I'm I just run to bow hunt. I've never looked at these lists. I've never done anything. But a lot of stuff that, you know, pseudafed is on there.

Um ADHD medicine is on there, you can't take or you have to get what they call a therapeutic use exemption. So, say if you were a regular guy and you had low testosterone and you wanted to do TRT, you could get that approved through a therapeutic use exemption. That's very interesting. Through a doctor, you can run in the marathon with a therapeutic use exemption of testosterone, which is a legitimate performance-enhancing. Theoretically, I I don't know if they'd have to look at your numbers and where you're at and like if this was real. Well, you're supposed to take a very specific amount. Like this was the issue with the UFC when the UFC had tues when they had TRT, VTOR, those those days when guys were taking like large amounts of that [__] And that's actually what stopped the program is that people started testing like off the [__] charts for testosterone and they realize like, okay, these guys are straight up juicing. So, but if you're a 60-year-old person and you want to run the marathon and you're on testosterone, it's legal.

Yeah. Yeah. It and it and it should be. It's like um the TUE thing is still probably abused in some ways because we know these doctor patient relationships. You can say, "Hey, I want to do this. Can you make it sound like this?" Right. Of course, and that's that's always going to be the case. I'm not even I'm not even talk all I'm saying is like for and I talk to Olympians about this situation because I want to make sure I understand it, right?

It's like if if I'm as a regular citizen, so there's 9,000 runners in the Eugene Marathon. Are we all going to be held to the standard of Olympic athletes? That's right. Are they testing everybody in the Eugene Marathon? They didn't test anybody. Anybody. So there's there's prize money that that's paid out. There's Olympic trials qualifying standards which are met.

So now you're in the Olympic trials. And and I don't want to [__] on the Eugene Marathon because these small smaller marathons, they don't have the money to be testing 9,000 people or probably these tests are expensive. So there there's something to like if it's a USATF, so United States of America track and field association. If it's one those events and it's for like a world championship or it's for like a a a team position, I get it and it does need to be for the Eugene Marathon with 9,000 people. It's not realistic to say we're going to drug test everybody or if you're taking whatever you need a therapeutic use exemption because do you think USADA could review say if people are taking three or four different medications times 9,000 they don't have the resource to to go through all those ties right it's not realistic so there should be in my opinion two categories you got your regular runners which I'm in and you got your elites which are susceptible to this drug testing and these requirements and that's totally fair and I get that and it's kind of why I've waited into this and said I'll be the poster boy for this. I'll admit that I took BPC57 to try to avoid surgery on my foot and two years ago and whatever the fallout, right? Whatever the fallout is is what it is because this needs to be discussed because I talk to all these regular people who are doing all this stuff just to be healthy to enjoy something that they love which is running or competing in races and everybody like on the other side on you know say the clean sport side which I am on that side too trust me I I want I want clean sport but they're like saying that like my time was so fast it's almost into this they talk about this age graded thing where like this guy who brought it up said age greater like so what that I think is what that looks at is like in my prime if I ran a 239 at age 58 what was my potential when I was in my prime right and it would is super fast like you know like world like 210 or 212 which would have won the Olympics back when I was 25 you know what I mean so I understand why my time it's just like I'm almost too fast as a regular citizen to and it's kind of like this gray area should he be tested or I I whatever. But all I'm saying like if the rule is to test or if I know the rules, I'm down, dude.

I'm I'm all for it. That's why I've been so transparent about what I've taken and what I've done and what I was trying to avoid with the surgery. But it's also an important hiding there's an important point about the sign up thing for the Eugene Marathon. If there's if you're supposed to not take certain supplements that's supposed to be stated in in the marathon signup, right? And it's not. Yeah. And I and I don't I've never I I hardly look at that, but there's now after all this, I looked at the waiverss because, you know, USADA has been they send me two really nice emails, just lovely emails that I haven't responded to. Um, and they they're trying to do the best they can, but if these waivers say, um, I looked at the waiver for I did two races this year, Eugene Marathon and Coca-Con 250, and the waivers mention liability and insurance things.

Doesn't mention anything about US ATF or drug testing or any of these requirements. There's no mention of What's also what the the thing that doesn't make any sense is first of all BPC57 is not a performance-enhancing substance. Yeah. What it it it helps heal soft tissue injuries. It's very good for recovery from injuries. That was one that's one issue. The other issue is it was two [__] years ago. There's no way that's affecting you in this year's Eugene Marathon.

That is long out of your system. It's a smoke screen. You know, we've talked about smoke screens here. is but what he's doing is he's basically he's accusing you because you took BBC57 and he's saying you're lying about doing all these other things. I've been called a liar, a cheater, a doper, uh stealing. It's like Yeah. But it's all fine. But this is essentially what we were talking about earlier.

What we were talking about earlier about people that are outliers that are like super successful and they be [__] that guy, that guy cheats, that guy this, that guy that. Same [__] thing. Yeah. This guy can't appreciate that. Here's a guy who was running a [__] marathon a day while working an 8 hour job. I was your friend then. This is real. I know you did this.

I was always telling you to quit your job. I was the first guy telling you quit that [__] job. You're killing yourself. I was worried about you because I know that your mind is so strong that you are willing to push your body to the point where it could actually fail. And willpower is really important. Um having a strong will will get you through so much in life that other people will not be able to pass. They will not be able to break through. But will could also get you killed, you know, and it could also ruin your life.

You could hurt yourself to the point, you know, you hurt your back or something to the point where you never recover. It never comes back. Like you have to there's like a a fine line between mental toughness and and just being able to see the big picture and go it's actually smart to not be tough here. And it's not to deny my toughness. I got to know that I am tough and have confidence in my toughness enough to give my body a break and rest myself. That's why I was always worried about you because you were doing things with no [__] sleep. And I saw it. I know you did it.

I watched that guy's not doing this. And you have to understand that the kind of willpower that a guy like you has or a guy like Gogggins has where they can do things where people go no one could do that. The [__] they can't like how many UFC fighters have you seen go and train with Gogggins and they're like Israel Adisagna world champion world class guy throwing up at a [__] garbage can keep up with him. Tony Ferguson like who is known in the MMA world for [__] superhuman endurance. Tony Ferguson would just walk people down in his prime. He was El Coule. He was the [__] boogeyman cuz he never got tired. And even if you heard him, it didn't matter.

He was going to recover and come back after you. He's coming. He was coming for your [__] soul. That guy was breaking down. Everybody breaks down. And it's He's doing it in silence. No one even knows. He's doing it with no music.

He's doing it by himself. No one's pushing him. He's a [__] full-on psychopath. They are real. There's real people out there that are really living like that. This guy should look at that and take inspiration from it. But he's got these ideological differences with you because he's a vegan and because he thinks hunting is cruel and you're an [__] and you're killing animals and meanwhile he needs to eat one of them [__] bear sticks. They're [__] delicious.

Give me another one. I want I want another one. [__] awesome. They're they're great. But it's just it's just what we're talking about. It's if you and that guy actually had a conversation. Thank you. If you and that guy actually had a conversation and you were civil and there was no cameras and it was just two human beings having a conversation, I I guarantee you probably have way more in common than you do not, you know, outside of the ideological differences about hunting and veganism and maybe a lack of understanding about what even veganism entails because because most of it entails largecale monocrop agriculture.

If you're if you're just buying plants, you are responsible for the death of a [__] countless number of creatures. Yeah. Fact. End of story. Especially if you start talking about bees and avocados and almonds. Oh, I'm eating almonds. I'm healthy. You [__] killed a 100red billion bees.

All right, stop. Uh outside of that, what are you both doing? You're both pushing yourself to the limits of your ability. And maybe if that guy had a bear stick or two and had some real protein, he'd have a better Well, I I I mean that's true, too, right? Yeah. I'm He needs some real [__] protein. I am friends with a lot of people just like him in belief and like on the political spectrum or even the diet spectrum. And I it hasn't affected our friendship at all because what I focus on is what do we have in common?

We love the mountains. We love to run. We love to push ourselves. I don't need to align with everybody 100%. So, I'm I'm friends with tons of liberal people and love them. It's like has nothing to do with anything. It's uh but for for him, you know, I was on the radar for a few different reasons. This gave him like the reason why like like BPC 157 is banned for Olympians, not for a regular person.

Regular people can take it, So, I'm just like he's like, "Do you know what the rules are?" And I'm like, I don't give a [__] about the rules. So then he turned that into like he doesn't care about the rules. He's going to do everything anything he wants. I'm like, no, I don't care about rules that don't apply to me. I'm just like whatever. So the rules that apply to me are is this rule. And it's like if you want to talk about rules, I follow rules. Like I talked about purchasing, you know, when I was a the the buyer at my old job for 20 years, I had to go by laws and rules every day.

And so I'm I respect that is if it has to do with me if it like affects me. I'm like, "Okay, I understand it." Well, this one, you start bringing up these USATF sanctions and what I need to know when I sign a waiver for a race and and I look at the waiver and the waiver doesn't mention anything about this. This says if the USF sanctioned event is, you know, if we're talking drug testing, it says related published materials must contain the following language. So, when I see that it says it must contain the following language in my contract days, I'm like, well, that didn't say should or it didn't say may because should and may means it doesn't have to, When it says must, it must. So, it says it must say this. athlete who participate in this compet in this comp competition may be subjected to formal drug testing in accordance with US blah blah blah. So basically it has to have this language and it has to spell out exactly what it is. Their rules, their own rules say it must be included.

I've never seen this language. It was never included in anything that I've agreed to with these in regard to these races. So there's no responsibility to go to the website and find out what the standards are just the waiver. Even if they had a link like okay right and so if they said if you are going to race you must be held to the standards of this race you can go visit them on this website that's fine I would be like oh that was my bad I didn't do that they never mentioned it so if somebody said like I didn't know BPC was banned for Olympians at all before this I just thought that it was another maybe you could get a TUE for I or I didn't even know what TUE was but because I just it's not my world my world is bow hunting I just try to get in as good shape as I can.

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You're not trying to do it for money. You're just doing it to I've never won money. I've never been on a a national team. If I wanted to be, if that was what I was going to do, I would know everything about the rules, everything about what I could take or what I couldn't take. I mean, you can't take THC, you know? I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition. So, you know how long THC is in your system? So, you took it the day before, but you didn't but you're still going to test hot for it.

Can't run high. but as long as that lasts in your system, how are they going to prove if you took it that morning? Well, they would have to be able to test your levels right after you race and they could determine whether or not you were actually intoxicated during the race. That's how uh Nick Diaz got popped by Takanori Gome. They said his his [__] levels were off the charts. Probably. Um, I don't believe it was uh I believe that was I think that was Pride and I think it was the first time that Pride had an event in the United States and they had it in Vegas, I believe. See if that's that's right.

It was a long time ago. I want to say this is god I want to say like 2005. It was a big win when Nick beat Takorigi. Takeni was one of the big stars uh over in Pride and uh Nick uh he got him with a go-go plat which is a crazy submission off your back where you use the shin against a guy's neck and you're grabbing your foot from behind his head and nasty but uh they said he was off the charts. They said he was high as a kite when he was fighting which I [__] love. But you you're not allowed to do that and I think for good reasons. I don't think you should be allowed. But look, um the the the reality of uh these drug tests are is that um if you're saying to a person that you can't take it the day of the competition, and they're a regular user.

They're they're they're going to have a lot of THC in their system, right? They just are. And also, you could you could take a very high dose of edibles the day before a race and you would still be intoxicated the day of the race. That's that's um So, what year was this? Apparently, the commission felt the level which Diaz tested at 175 was a considering factor in his performance during the fight. Dr. Tony Alamo, the commission's chair, said that so it was Nevada a result of uh 15 is considered positive. But Nevada State Athletic Commission has a threshold of 50 tests positive for THC.

They feel very comfortable that everybody that tests positive in Nevada is truly positive. Mr. Diaz was 175. This creates a unique situation. Uh I was there at the fight. I believe you were intoxicated and that it made you numb to the pain. Did it help you win? I think it did.

I don't you know, listen, Diaz is going to be numb to the pain anyway. He's one of the toughest [__] dudes that's ever lived. Yeah. I don't I don't know if you can make that argument. Did it help you win? Uh I think it probably relaxed him. He likes it. He, you know, he probably could go out there high and fight more in his element, but he could fight in his element anyway.

He was one of the best fighters on earth at the time. He's a worldclass fighter. The idea that that helped him win is like, prove it. Prove it. He was beating everybody anyway. It's a stretch. It's like I just don't think that we need to be opening the Pandora's box to testing 9,000 people or having them, you know, like Well, it's also be realistic about what you're saying because what you're saying is if all you did was take that drug, uh, it's not even a drug, take that peptide in 2024 for a broken foot, there's no [__] chance that helped you win a a marathon two years later. It does not help other than the fact that it helped to heal your broken foot.

That's not performance-enhancing. It's just not. This guy's kind of a hater. Not even kind of. He's a hater. It was which I understand. Yeah. Yeah.

I I mean I admitted that I took it and it's like at that and I actually that night I remember I didn't even know when that was. I [__] can't remember when I go went to wage wells like I don't I thought it was like six months ago. I couldn't even [__] remember. So then I got a hold of him. I said, "No, I need, you know, the details of my my treatment." And it, you know, it was in November of 2024. And I'm like, "Okay." But anyway, that night I said, "Yeah, I've done stem cell. I've done TRT before and mentioned BPC57." And it's like I didn't know when that was, but I just kind of because he was like coming at me. I'm just like, "No, [__] off.

It's like I do all this. I don't know whether this is approved or not. It doesn't has nothing to do with me. I'm not an elite athlete. I'm [__] bow hunter." So I was like kind of wanted to just let's [__] on him at that time. Well, he got what he needed cuz admitting to taking BPC for like Olympian is a huge deal because it's banned just for them, not for me. And that then he could go to USADA and say, "Oh, this guy took a ban." And they're, you know, now they're like, it sucks. It's like they're in a position where I don't know.

It's just like so much the public knows about it so much. It's like, you know, I got articles about me and talking about all this crazy [__] and I'm just like, I was just trying to not have two or three surgeries. It's just like I'm not trying to win a [__] the my age category of marathon. And then they'll turn it into like, well, that's not fair to the other people who are are performing clean. It's just like it's not we don't even know who's what people are taking. It's like I'm not even in this field of this elite field where this is all I did was admit I was truthful. Everybody else just lies. Yeah.

Well, maybe maybe lies maybe doesn't. But the the the point is a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries. And if you're going to run marathons like the way you run them with very fast times, you're probably training really hard. If you're training really hard, you're probably going to get injured. Yeah. You know, it's just but it's a hater thing is what it is. Or he's accusing you of lying, which I know you're not a liar. So, this is the thing.

He's he's attacking your character. But it's also the fact that you know that quote that I love, all criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. This guy's an elite athlete. No one knows who he is. Yeah. You know, that's part of the problem. And then when someone who's very popular is creeping in on his times, like that's like how how's that possible? He's 18 years older than me.

[__] this guy. No one ever wants to think that someone actually works harder than them. No. No. And or Yeah. I mean, and and I get that. I mean, I I'm a human, too. I understand how that can happen.

But like to call me like a doper trying to discredit everything I've I've done, it's just like it's so not even real. The approach to use is to just be honest, lay it all out, and leave it alone. Yeah. Uh I don't think like going after this guy and talking a lot of [__] is in any way beneficial. I don't I don't want I want him I want everyone to succeed. I don't have anything personal against this guy. I didn't like he was talking [__] about Truit. I didn't But even that, it's just it's just haterade.

He just sees Truit running with those [__] perfect jeans on and looking all handsome. He's also a little too buff to be a marathon runner, which drives people nuts, too. And then he also won the world pull-up challenge. Like, look, when someone breaks the world record in pull-ups, that isn't a [__] extraordinary human being. Period. And for you to discredit that person in marathon running after they've done that, well, you're a fool. Cuz this isn't just a regular person, right? This is a person who broke the world [__] record for chin-ups or pull-ups.

That's a crazy thing to do. to do thousands of pull-ups in 24 hours. Rip your [__] hands to shreds, that's an extraordinary person. For him to not recognize that, he's being a [__] Yeah, it which is fine. It's a natural characteristic that a lot of human beings have and especially ones that are not getting their needs met in terms of the attention they feel they deserve and who are ideologically opposed to you because you're a hunter. What the the traction he's got is because it's almost like if you say, you know how some people would say, oh, you're interested in border security, like protecting the border, racist, right? Right. Racist, you're a Nazi, right?

You're a cheater. So to to say that I'm a cheater or a doper, you don't have to say anything else because then it's like, oh, that guy. So now I'm I'm kind of tainted by with that language when the fact of the matter is this is years ago. I don't take any I mean I I take plenty like fish oil, magnesium, all this other [__] Trace gives me, but the like the level of doping I know about, I don't know [__] I don't even I don't know EP. I know we've talked about this before, but I don't even know really what EPO does other than make like more red blood cells or something so there's more oxygen. But I'm so like illiterate on performance and like peeds. I'm just like, I don't I don't even take testosterone anymore because I run better low, which is weird. And I didn't know if this happened because they say when you run like long distances, extreme long distances, your testosterone drops.

I almost think that's by design because I look at like how these women have been performing at these huge races with low testosterone and higher estrogen. They perform better. And so I'm just like, man, maybe I don't need the TRT. Maybe. And so I haven't like I had I had u I got a prescription filled like last September and I still have four of the things out of 10. And anybody who's a doper, they don't got dope sitting around. Like if you had, you know, I don't care if it's meth or [__] testosterone, if you have it, you take it if you're a doper, right? So, I haven't done it because I'm I operate better with a low heart rate, low testosterone, and I can run.

But, well, and low body weight, too. That's a big factor. Yeah. I'm like 148 is what I got down to when I What are you right now? Like 52. Wow. When I met you, you were in the 80s. Yeah.

I was just lifting. I just I I always ran, but I would run like five miles a day. And I wanted to be like I thought like for hunting I needed more muscle to perform because I need to carry heavy loads and things like that. Now I've realized that I'm better with extreme endurance and I'm still strong for for like 148. Still very strong compared to like a normal 148. So I I'm still able to do the tasks I need to do. Carry heavy loads when I kill. You've optimized.

Yeah. So yeah. Well, this the big factor is the weight cuz I'm pretty heavy. And I I notice the difference, you know, like I've lost when I hunted a few years back, I got down to the 190s early like like 192 or 193 and I felt way lighter. Like you would think 10 lbs cuz right I weighed 202 this morning. You would think 10 lbs is not that big of a deal. It's a big deal. It's a big deal.

When I work out uh and I put a 25 lb weight vest on, it's amazing how much harder it is to do chin-ups and push-ups and dips. It's amazing. Yeah. And it's only 25 lb. And you think about how many people just normally carry 25 extra pounds. You're walking around all day with a weight vest on, you know? Well, and I've told Truth this, too. It's like he's heavier, but every guy lining up to run them the Olympic trials qualifier or like when they run the Olympic trials for the marathon, there won't be anybody over like 140.

So, I said, which totally makes sense. You're fighting gravity. Yeah. I mean, you got to be light. Yeah. So I said, "You can't be 160 and compete." What is he at now? He's like 58. And what is he trying to get down to?

He's got to be in the 40s. Got to be like 140 be. Oh my god. He's going to look like Skeletor. The guy The guy who I just ran with who ran Eugene and set the course record and all that. He was 135. He's probably like 61. Whoa.

That's just the name of the game, You like the East African super light. the guy who just broke the world record in the marathon, he's like 135 or no no 115. A tiny little guy. So it's like makes sense. That's just that's just performance. That's just what it takes. A huge engine, a light body, And uh so like to to paint me this way when I was turned surgery, haven't taken BPC since then. Um, it's just it's kind of just I think all you could do is state your case and I think you just did and you just did it really well and I know you and I can speak for you.

You are as honest a human being as I've ever met in my life. You don't lie about anything and you are and it's also why you work so hard. You work so hard so you don't have to lie. I mean you're you're an insanely hard worker. I didn't I didn't lie about this either. I mean and that's what I just said. Yeah, I did. I didn't remember when but looked it up.

Here's when it was whatever. You know, this guy's got to get over it. Maybe you should have a conversation with him on Keep Hammer and Collective. Yeah. I mean, I don't I would talk to talk to anybody. I don't, you know, I talk to people who feel differently than me all the time. People there's a there's also a problem where people don't know someone and they don't communicate with them. And so, you kind of form a narrative and then you fight that narrative.

You know, you attack that narrative. You you attack a creation of who the person is rather than the actual person. And people like to do that because they like to turn someone into a demon. You know, they like to turn someone into an not even a person. That's how people have to do that with war. They love to do that with religion. It's easy to garner support with keywords using key words that nobody could defend would be like, "Okay, we got that. That'll work right there." And so that's where, you know, the Nazi or the doper, the racist, that's why those words are always out there.

Yep. It's like because they're powerful. Exactly. That's exactly. And when and when you you know when you get boxed in a corner, you can use those words and it buys you some time. Yeah, there's that. And then there's also, you know, there's a lot of people that don't have good personal insight. They don't understand what they're doing really.

They think they're justified in what they're doing. Really, it's just a bunch of [__] [__] One thing that I I did I think part of this um I I don't want to be demonized about like with the peptides because it shouldn't be demonized but one thing I think a lot of people because I as you said a lot of people are taking these peptides a lot of people are doing the TRT stuff. I think that there was a big shift when COVID happened as far as distrust in the the health I mean basically our health and wellness category like it started maybe with Obamacare. Uh people are having trouble getting in their doctors quit because it's too frustrating. So people, we've had a hard time getting medical treatment like to be healthy and then COVID happened and then they were shoving down, you know, the vaccine down our throats and turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said. So I think people like they see that the writing was on the wall. They couldn't get into their doctor. The doctor was like just writing prescriptions.

So then the wellness clinics popped up, right? And it feels like it was after COVID for now like you got a ways to well and there's other places like it where you can go in and they care about how you feel. They want you to they want to help you feel better, like live like an optimized life. Like you're old, but you don't have to feel old. And so they're like, they can do the blood panel where getting a blood panel at your regular doctor was like pulling teeth for a while. It's like, no, we we don't need to do that. But you go to a wellness clinic, they'll do it, and they'll tell you, "Yeah, you're deficient here. This, this, or that.

We could add this. We could try this." Um, and then all of a sudden, you start to feel better, and you're like, "Well, these people care about my health." the doctor what he care about writing prescriptions and then yeah the doctors they're playing a totally different game as we could see from that hospital video that we just watched right so it's no wonder that waste well is and like these these other treatments maybe bypassing surgery and let's try this peptide I I see that it's kind of evolving and it's changing and the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to to be on board with that because most your field aren't elites and aren't Olympians, They're regular people who just are trying to do what they enjoy. And that's me. While they're working a full-time job, most of them. Yeah. Well, I think you laid your case out and I got to pee. So, let's wrap this bad boy up and bring it home. Uh, congratulations on your bear hunt.

Those You got two giant monsters. Oh, yeah. We got John and Jen. Yeah. Shout out to John and Jen Rivet. I'm going to try to come next year. Swear. Love those guys.

Love those guys. Um, I love that place they have up there, too. It's crazy. And uh for people who don't know um those these these bear uh have no natural predators other than grizzlies. They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves. They they they're ruthless predators, opportunistic hunters. They eat each other.

Ju just to put that in perspective in Alaska they're flying out of helicopters shooting bear. Because there's so many of them. Not enough are getting killed. So they wipe out all the unullet. Yeah. So, it's like it it's an issue. You just don't know about it. You don't People don't know that Alaska is flying in helicopters as leaving bear after they kill them.

I know. And everybody thinks of bears as Yogi. Yogi and Boo Boo. And you know, come for a trip. Take a trip to Alberta. I'll show you some real [__] Yeah. Yeah. No, it's I remember when uh you know, I've told this story.

You know, Jen and I ran into a grizzly once when we were out there. Just briefly. We only saw it briefly. We're like, "Let's get the [__] out of here." Yeah. They they don't even hunt over there anymore because too many grizzlies. So that's like crazy. That's quite a ways from where we hunt now just because that crazy a grizzly starts coming in the bait. That's got to get out of there.

Especially I like to sit on the ground and they need to start hunting them up them up there too. They do. And you know this is the when they changed that law in BC, they made it a [__] disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now. Yeah. And it's just the people that live in these high population areas that don't have any encounters with them. And there it's ballot box biology. They're trying to be good people.

Do you want to outlaw trophy hunting? Yeah, these cruel [__] They just want to shoot this animal for its skin. Yeah, [__] them. They just want to show what a big man they are by killing an animal. Like that guy calls me a trophy hunter. Like he's like he's like, "Oh, I understand deer and elk hunting, but not bear." It's just like, well, you don't know what you're Did you just eat How is that bear? We just eat. How's that any different than deer and elk?

My daughter went to school one day and they were asking what your favorite food was and she said bear candy because Steve Vanella taught me a uh recipe called bear candy. How to make this like it's like a you make it with brown sugar and you cook this bear and it's like a sweet and sour pork kind of deal but with bear. It was [__] delicious. And I I served it for my kids and my daughter I think she was just trying to like jostle people up a little bit. I ate bear. Well, Jyn makes some badass bear stir fry. Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, her bear meat is fantastic.

I was just thinking to myself, Mountain Offs has those new freeze-dried meals. Maybe I need to get some Right. and dehydrate it. Get some bear meat in there. Yeah. Yeah. His own food. He He does it all in a dehydrator, then rehydrates it in camp.

He vacuum seals his own stuff. Some of those meals, dude. Yeah. Well, it's the best way to do it, too. If you want to eat clean, if you want to eat clean in the mountains, get a dehydrator for that energy because just like in ultras and performing, what you're using for calories matters So, especially on a long hunt, if you can like we had I had some Mountain Ops uh freeze-dried in there like chicken Alfredo, that's just [__] good calories 100%. And also electrolytes. Boy, I it changed for me when I started using element. when I started pro throwing element in my water when I was out there.

Giant difference. Get those electrolytes. That's the first thing I drink in the morning is an element because I know I'm cuz I run every day. I know. I I think I've been also like low on sodium for a long time just because of how much I run. Like I run so much like I get sores here because my shirt gets soaked with sweat and wet clothes sitting on my skin has makes all these soores from running for hours and in a in a wet shirt. That's crazy. I know guys wear their nipples out.

They have to put like that. Yeah, that h I wear like I wear like a a bra sort Well, it's it's like a little uh running pack, but it holds my shirt right there on my tits. But this here bounces and it's like just being wet. But that's crazy that it's makes sores on your skin just from a t-shirt. It does just from being You should start running in silk just from being warm. But I think that I was sweating so much that when I do that element first thing in the morning, it sets me up for the whole day to to be able to perform at a higher level. Yeah. Even just some sea salt in your water, like you need you need minerals.

Everybody does need electrolytes. Let's wrap it up. Yep. All right. My brother, I love you to death. You're awesome. Glad you had an opportunity to come on here and this is all very important stuff to talk about and uh one more time that number for everybody. I want to call that number.

I know. Call your call your senators. 2022 234 3121 say roadless rule needs to keep stay intact. Mike Lee can suck a big fat one. I think